<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408</id><updated>2011-12-27T12:07:33.870-08:00</updated><category term='politics and law.'/><category term='policing'/><category term='right to possess a firearm'/><category term='lawful force'/><category term='search engines'/><category term='crime rates'/><category term='DUI'/><category term='police conduct'/><category term='assertion of rights'/><category term='drug cases'/><category term='repeat offenders'/><category term='no contest'/><category term='consent'/><category term='steroids'/><category term='causes'/><category term='genocide'/><category term='mortgage fraud'/><category term='lawyer'/><category term='juveniles'/><category term='shoplifter'/><category term='request a lawyer'/><category term='politics and law'/><category term='crime'/><category term='murder'/><category term='due process'/><category term='perjury'/><category term='criminal records'/><category term='clients'/><category term='bankers'/><category term='greed'/><category term='plea bargains'/><category term='fraud'/><category term='restoration'/><category term='recession'/><category term='pleading guilty'/><category term='mortgages'/><category term='domestic violence'/><category term='innocent'/><category term='conspiracy'/><category term='U.S. Supreme Court'/><category term='rape'/><category term='celebrity and proof'/><category term='criminal defense'/><category term='criminal arrest pointers'/><category term='justice'/><category term='vacation of record'/><category term='fairness'/><category term='compromise of misdemeanor'/><category term='death penalty'/><category term='self defense'/><category term='defending the innocent and the guilty'/><category term='civil rights'/><category term='options'/><category term='war crimes'/><category term='DUI. breath test'/><category term='punishment'/><category term='theft'/><category term='marijuana'/><category term='criminal trial'/><category term='cruel and unusual'/><category term='Miranda warnings'/><category term='history'/><category term='judges'/><category term='accomplice'/><category term='assault'/><category term='federal'/><category term='describes first court appearances for different types of criminal cases'/><category term='speedy justice'/><category term='independence'/><category term='civil debt'/><category term='corruption trial'/><category term='unreliable databases'/><category term='presumption of innocence'/><title type='text'>A Seattle defense attorney writes</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>34</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-4881617291207793518</id><published>2011-12-27T10:48:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-12-27T12:07:33.889-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='genocide'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='justice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='war crimes'/><title type='text'>Cambodia: Justice Delayed May Mean Justice Denied</title><content type='html'>I spent the month of November touring Vietnam and Cambodia. Despite our tragic and arrogant war in SE Asia, the people in both countries are welcoming. Of course many are too young to have their own memories and now rely on the history they've learned in school or from the government, and some simply don't know much at all. But even if they only knew the propaganda, it didn't seem to matter, because they seemed to like us Americans. The cynic says: 'it's just the money, they like.' But I thought their welcomes were genuine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Vietnam there was a definite pride in believing they had defeated the so-called 'paper tiger,' the USA, in what they refer to as the "American War." I personally crawled in one of the Cu-Chi tunnels. In 10 minutes I was dripping in sweat and glad to get out. They lived down there! No question about how determined an opponent the Viet Cong had to be. We also toured the infamous 'Hanoi Hilton,' where Senator McCain and others were imprisoned during the war. The structure was originally built by the French to imprison Vietnamese rebels 100 years ago. How the wheel of history turns. For it was strange to watch the government approved video there, which showed the American POW's performing calisthenics and eating a lavish Christmas dinner, even with bottles of beer on the table. That version makes Fox News look accurate. And yet, a former American POW later became our first ambassador to Vietnam in the 1990's. Another curious turn of that wheel of history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the Presidential Palace in Saigon (aka Ho Chi Minh City), the guide kept referring to America as "the enemy." Later, I asked our guide about that and he said that is the official lecture he must give. He also confided that his father worked for the Americans during the war and that his father first taught him English. Certainly he bore no animosity toward us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cambodia is another story. They have a tragic history. In part due to our bombing during the war in the 1970's, we managed to alienate the Cambodians and drive them into the Khmer Rouge's arms. Cambodia's communists were Chinese allies, who drove out the West-sympathizing regime in 1975. Unbelievably, as soon as they marched on Phnom Penh, they cleared the city of all its residents and began a horrific prison camp system. Out of 8-9 million Cambodians, about 1.7 million were killed by the Khmer Rouge, until Vietnam invaded in 1979 and took over. The Khmer Rouge fought a guerilla war for years, which was known as Vietnam's 'Vietnam!' In 1998 the infamous Pol Pot died, and a few years later, the Khmer Rouge finally ceased their jungle warfare along the border with Thailand. Not until about 2003 did Cambodia safely open to Western tourists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now to their immense credit, the Cambodians share this tragic history with the world. One of the former killing fields is a major tourist destination. Their openness and honesty about the murderous past is amazing. We also saw the terrible prison at Tuol Sleng, housed in a former school, where barbed wire still covers the open hallways of the upper floors, added to prevent prisoner suicides. Out of about 20,000 inmates, less than 10 survived. One of the survivors was an artist whose gut wrenching paintings of prison life and death are displayed at Tuol Sleng. Ironically, the only person to be convicted of war crimes in Cambodia so far is the prison's warden, known as Comrade Duch. He confessed to his many sins and is serving a prison sentence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sadly, and only as recently as November 2011, have three additional perpetrators of this genocide been put on trial. Cambodia originally asked the United Nations and the international community to help set up a tribunal into the genocide in the mid-1990s. A joint tribunal was finally established in 2006 following long drawn-out negotiations between the Phnom Penh government and the UN. Now the three defendants (one of whom was Pol Pot's right hand man, Nuon Chea, known then as 'Brother Number Two') are in their 80's and may not outlive their trial, much less get punished. We learned that the core problem is that the Cambodian government is badly corrupt and too intertwined with former Khmer Rouge power brokers. Due to this, it remains to be seen where this slow march to justice will end up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nonetheless, Cambodia is a beautiful country. I think of Angkhor Wat and its beautiful corn cob towers, the dramatic carved stone faces of Angkhor Thom and the immense Kapok trees whose roots intertwine with the ruins at Te Prohm. Tonle Sap Lake (largest lake in SE Asia) is another extraordinary place with a floating village and fantastic bird life. It is worth touring this country and meeting its people who are beginning to pull themselves up from their past. Tourism is their lifeblood, so go there and spend money--it can only help at this point.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-4881617291207793518?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/4881617291207793518/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/12/cambodia-justice-delayed-may-mean.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/4881617291207793518'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/4881617291207793518'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/12/cambodia-justice-delayed-may-mean.html' title='Cambodia: Justice Delayed May Mean Justice Denied'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-1626776068396230956</id><published>2011-10-24T10:57:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-10-24T16:20:27.865-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='no contest'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='plea bargains'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pleading guilty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='drug cases'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='marijuana'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='DUI'/><title type='text'>Pleading Guilty</title><content type='html'>As much as defense attorneys like to brag about their courtroom victories, there is less boasting about a good plea bargain. Yet out of my 50 or so new cases a year, the vast bulk of my cases--over 90%--end up in plea bargains. This percentage holds for nearly the entire community of defense lawyers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One obvious reason is that very few defendants are falsely accused. That is, consider the most frequent case: driving under the influence (DUI). Rarely is a person charged with DUI who was not driving and drinking some alcohol. Whether the prosecutor can prove the person is 'under the influence' of alcohol is almost always the key question. This is a narrow space to maneuver in for the defense. 'Under the influence' is classically defined as: "whether the ability to drive is lessened in any appreciable degree." In the alternative, the prosecutor can prove that the breath test was .08 or higher, without ever having to prove the driver was actually 'under the influence.' In the latter case, there may be technical attacks on the accuracy or validity of the breath test. But if those are unsuccessful, then the higher the reading is over .08. the harder the case is to win. And few cases are filed where the breath test is under .08.&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, if there is no breath test, the prosecutor has a professional witness in the person of 'Officer Friendly' whom the jurors tend to believe has no axe to grind. The officer would have given various 'field sobriety tests' and made numerous, detailed observations. If the driving is bad, then it is a tough case even without a breath test. The bottom line is that an offer of negligent driving in the first degree or reckless driving is hard to turn down.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One reason prosecutors offer plea bargains is that they have a staggering work load, which continues to rise with budget cuts. They have to save their resources for the most serious cases and the ones that are easiest to prove. For example, I had a felony assault case, stemming from a fight at a rock concert. My client was accused of starting it, although he and his brother-witness said the 'victim' started it. In any event, the fight ended when my client took a nasty bite out of the 'victim.' We argued with the prosecutor that this was self defense against a larger, equally drunk opponent. The prosecutor countered that it was an unreasonable use of force. In the end we got a misdemeanor assault plea bargain after we un-covered the 'victim's' prior record for felony assault. This 'proof ' problem got the result we wanted. The client kept his job and would not lose his civil rights, but he was held responsible for the out-of-pocket bills of the 'victim.'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A third reason plea bargains are popular is that the alternative of trial for many defendants is too risky. The greater the potential punishment for going to trial and losing, the greater the likelihood for a deal. As longs as there is a reduction in the charge, or a reasonable sentencing recommendation from the prosecutor, then a plea may be entered. In federal court, where the prosecution rarely has 'proof problems,' the risk of trial is very high. So often in federal drug or gun cases, there is also mandatory minimum time looming. A person charged with growing 100 or more marijuana plants is eligible for a five year minimum sentence after losing a trial. Typically the defense has to seek some bargain to get around the five year minimum which a judge almost never can reduce after a trial. Hence a deal is struck.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What if a defendant says he is innocent but still wants to plead guilty given the uncertainty of trial? I hate that. For starters, I usually tell my clients that I don't like pleading them guilty if they don't think they are guilty. Secondly, there is no such plea as &lt;em&gt;'nolo contendere'&lt;/em&gt; in Washington. The only pleas are "guilty, not guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity." "&lt;em&gt;Nolo contendere,'&lt;/em&gt; meaning 'no contest,' exists in some jurisdictions. But it still means you get sentenced and have a record. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In Washington there is one other possible way to plead 'guilty.' It is known as an &lt;em&gt;Alford&lt;/em&gt; plea. It is based on the case of &lt;em&gt;North Carolina v. Alford&lt;/em&gt; where the defendant was facing the death penalty for murder. He did not believe he was guilty of murder but he wanted to take advantage of the prosecutor's promise not to request the death penalty. So he pled 'guilty,' but in his statement for the plea, he said he 'did not commit the murder' but felt that due to the strong evidence against him, a jury would likely find him guilty, so he was pleading guilty to avoid the death penalty. The Supreme Court upheld his reason and statement for 'pleading guilty.' But like the '&lt;em&gt;nolo contendere'&lt;/em&gt; plea, a person who enters an &lt;em&gt;Alford&lt;/em&gt; plea still has the same record and gets sentenced by a judge. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In many cases, prosecutors will not accept an &lt;em&gt;Alford&lt;/em&gt; plea for a variety of reasons. For one, it deprives the victim of a a measure of satisfaction. It also undercuts any treatment condition the prosecutor may demand. Many prosecutors also believe, incorrectly I would add, that an &lt;em&gt;Alford&lt;/em&gt; plea is easier to withdraw from. From my point of view, an &lt;em&gt;Alford &lt;/em&gt;plea can be harmful at sentencing. After all, when facing a sentencing judge, it may mitigate the punishment where the defendant accepts responsibility for the crime and shows some remorse. If he entered an &lt;em&gt;Alford &lt;/em&gt;plea, it is much harder to ask for a lesser sentence on that ground. So, when entering an &lt;em&gt;Alford&lt;/em&gt; plea, the defendant should not expect something less than what the prosecutor recommends.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes a good plea bargain has to be earned by the lawyer raising legal issues in motions or preparing for trial. This might reveal weaknesses in the prosecutor's case such that an offer is made before a final decision. On the other hand, many prosecutors will threaten dire consequences, such as no more bargaining, if a pre-trial motion is filed. Despite this warning, many defendants still believe that their lawyers must file motions and make the prosecutor work to get the best possible bargains. This can be true but it depends on the case and the prosecutor. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A common concern for defendants is that usually there is no legal guarantee that the judge will follow the plea bargain at sentencing. In most cases, this fear is overblown as judges show their support for plea bargains by nearly always following them. After all, it clears the docket of thousands of cases each year. Yet now and then a judge does not like a particular plea bargain. When this happens, it typically involves a murder or rape charge with a very low sentence or extreme reduction. A good lawyer should know their case has that problem and warn the defendant in that instance &lt;em&gt;before&lt;/em&gt; the plea is entered.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the end, plea bargains are made frequently as prosecutors, defendants, and the courts benefit from them. Be wary of any lawyer who says he only fights and goes to trial on all of his cases.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-1626776068396230956?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/1626776068396230956/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/10/pleading-guilty.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/1626776068396230956'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/1626776068396230956'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/10/pleading-guilty.html' title='Pleading Guilty'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-8223177431376375023</id><published>2011-09-27T11:10:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-09-28T16:59:39.312-07:00</updated><title type='text'>What Can Parents Do With a Wild Teenager?</title><content type='html'>Recently a former client called and asked my advice about what his rights were with respect to his out-of-control 16 year-old. The boy is skipping school, smoking marijuana, staying out all night and generally disregarding his parents. Legally, parents have very limited options for in-home discipline: withdrawal of privileges, strict house rules, counselling, and calling the police. They can't throw a minor (under 18) out into the streets. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In serious cases, parents can petition the juvenile court when a child (under 18) is in need or at risk. If the child is "beyond the control of the parent" and is endangering the health, safety or welfare of the child or another person, the parent can ask for juvenile court intervention for this "child in need of services." Likewise, if a child has been absent from home for more than 72 hours or has a substance abuse problem which is not subject to a criminal case, a petition for an at-risk child may be made. These petitions are under the Family Reconciliation Act, found at chapter 13.32A. of the Revised Code of Washington. Juvenile Court in King County and the other counties will have more information. For children who do not attend school, the school district can file a truancy petition under RCW chapter 28A.225.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In days gone by, our parents or grandparents might suggest taking the 16 year-old 'behind the woodshed' for a whipping. Many people believe that's what we need more of. However, the use of physical force against a child is limited.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Under state law, "the physical discipline of a child is not unlawful when it is reasonable and moderate when it is inflicted by . . . a parent . . . for purposes of restraining or correcting a child." (RCW 9A.16.100) That statute bans certain punishments such as "throwing, kicking, burning, cutting, and striking with a closed fist." The Legislature also has banned "interfering with the child's breathing" and "threatening with a deadly weapon." And of course, it prohibits the "shaking of a child under three." The law further warns that these prohibitions are "illustrative of unreasonable actions" and they are not "exclusive." What is more, the catchall provision bans: "doing any other act which is likely to cause and does cause bodily harm greater than transient pain or minor temporary marks." The "age, size and condition of the child and location of the injury" are used to determine whether the bodily harm is reasonable and moderate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had a case a few years ago of a well respected father who was an engineer and born in another country. He had a disrespectful 17 year-old son. To teach the impertinent son a lesson, he decided to cane him. Caning is a time honored form of discipline in many cultures. The offender (almost always male) would drop his pants and be hit with a cane, switch, paddle or other implement on his behind or on back of the thighs. In my case, the father used the flat side of a wooden ceremonial sword and hit the back of his son's thighs 5 times or so. Later, at school he complained of pain. He was sent to the school nurse's office, where long, red welts were observed on his legs. The school contacted the police who later arrested and booked my client for a felony assault with a deadly weapon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The 17 year-old was bigger than his father and after a week, the welts were gone. He did not want to prosecute his father, because he loved him and felt he deserved it. Nonetheless, the prosecutor's office would not dismiss the case despite my argument that this was "reasonable parental discipline" given the age, size and transient nature of the injury. I thought a jury would acquit him. However, I could not promise that and if we lost, he was looking at a minimum sentence of 15 months due to the 'deadly weapon.' His family did not want a trial. So we ended up pleading to a misdemeanor assault and he was sentenced to do some community service work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the client who called I advised that physical discipline is a risky option. Instead, I told him to set very clear rules and expectations in writing. For example, for every cut class, his son would lose a week of allowance. His bedroom could be subject to random, parental searches with confiscation of contraband and with the possibility of calling the police as well. In serious drug cases, the petitions to juvenile court or commitment to a locked treatment facility are also possibilities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These 'tough love' measures may or may not be effective. I know that well. . . Time and maturity are often the only cure.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-8223177431376375023?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/8223177431376375023/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-can-parents-do-with-wild-teenager.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/8223177431376375023'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/8223177431376375023'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/09/what-can-parents-do-with-wild-teenager.html' title='What Can Parents Do With a Wild Teenager?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-4727746292292193392</id><published>2011-08-18T14:22:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-08-23T09:04:11.659-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='assault'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='murder'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conspiracy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mortgage fraud'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='accomplice'/><title type='text'>Getaway Drivers and Other Accomplices</title><content type='html'>Even if you don't go in the bank but wait outside in the car, if you know your buddy is armed and goes in the bank, you can be punished just as harshly. This is known as accomplice liability.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The formal law is roughly as follows: If you solicit, encourage, command or request another person to commit a crime, you are as guilty as the one who actually does it. Obviously if you directly aid or assist in the planning or commission of the crime, you are also equally liable for the crime. You do not have to be present at the scene of the crime to be guilty. On the other hand, your mere presence at the crime scene and knowledge of the crime alone are not enough. You have to do something, or encourage, aid, or by your presence, support or encourage THE CRIME. If you are just there but also acting as a 'lookout,' then you are an accomplice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I capitalized THE CRIME, since the state has to prove that you are involved in the particular crime charged. For example, if you agree to be the lookout for a burglary and your buddy heads toward the house and then assaults someone on the street on the way into the house, you would not be liable for the assault. It is a more complicated question if the person going in the house, assaults or kills someone inside since prosecutors might consider that part of the burglary crime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the drive-by shooting case from Ballard H.S. in the mid-1990's, the driver was convicted of murder in the second degree because he "knowingly facilitated the drive-by shooting." The prosecutor argued that old favorite: "in for a dime, in for a dollar." And on appeal the driver argued the jury instructions were misleading and the prosecutor's argument was simplistic and unfair. This area of law is so complex that his appeals went on until just last month. He had won a new trial at one point, but then the U.S. Supreme Court reversed that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am involved in a murder case, where I represent an uncharged suspect. In that same case, the alleged driver to the murder scene is currently on trial. His defense is that he had no idea that the two men in his car would later shoot the victim in front of a bar. The state probably can prove he had parked the car some distance away while he waited in the car. So the question will be whether they can prove he did so, knowing of their design to shoot when they left the car.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another case I have is that of a young man accused of starting a fight outside a bar, where the 'victim' voluntarily went outside to confront him. Ordinarily that would be a misdemeanor assault. (A mutual fight is no defense for the person who threw the first punch.) However, when the two were grappling, my client's friend began punching and kicking the victim. The friend's blows caused the victim a fractured nose and cheek bone. My client did not do any serious damage. Yet my client is charged with a felony assault in the second degree. There, the issue will be if they were acting in concert or if the friend, unbidden by my client, just jumped in and acted on his own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In federal court, the prosecutors frequently charge conspiracy crimes. In such a case, a person can be guilty when (1) two or more people agree to commit a crime, (2) when the accused joins this group knowing of its criminal purpose and intending to help it, and (3) someone performs an overt act for the purpose of carrying out the conspiracy. Take a mortgage fraud scheme, where people lie on their applications to get the loan. And then, never intending to live there, turn the property over to others who try to flip it at a higher price. Even if the person who filled out the application never benefitted from the scheme, a conspiracy charge would lie.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another problem for co-conspirators, for example, is the schlep who agrees to move the hockey bag with marijuana it over the border. The schlep may be facing as much time as the owners of the dope. I like to explain this with the Macdonald's analogy. Imagine if making burgers were illegal like cocaine is. Then if you agree to flip some burgers for one of the golden arch stores, you are potentially liable for all of the whole corporate output. After all, everyone knows the signs say 'so many billions sold. . .' Of course the schlep could say he didn't know there were 100's of hockey bags involved. Perhaps. . .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In short, choose your friends carefully and don't do any favors such as carrying that bundle across the border . . .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-4727746292292193392?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/4727746292292193392/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/08/getaway-drivers-and-other-accomplices.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/4727746292292193392'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/4727746292292193392'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/08/getaway-drivers-and-other-accomplices.html' title='Getaway Drivers and Other Accomplices'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-2772600764542552353</id><published>2011-07-14T14:08:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-07-14T15:18:56.515-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='steroids'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='criminal trial'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='perjury'/><title type='text'>Should the Government Get to Re-Try Roger Clemens?</title><content type='html'>Just today a federal judge granted a mistrial for Roger Clemens in his perjury and obstruction trial in Washington, D.C. During the federal government's case, it began playing a video recording of Clemens' testimony before Congress (in which he allegedly lied because he told them he never took steroids or other banned substances.) In that video were comments by a Congressman referring to Andy Petitte's wife's statement in which she repeated that her husband told her that Clemens admitted to taking the substances. Before trial, the judge had ruled that her repetition of what her husband told her was not admissible. It was clearly inadmissible hearsay. (However, Andy Petitte can testify to what Clemens told him, since that is proper evidence of a party's direct admission.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ostensibly the unredacted Congressman's comment was an oversight by the prosecutors. However, if Clemens' lawyers can show that it was not a mistake but an intentional act, he could get the case dismissed under the Double Jeopardy clause. Ordinarily, under a 1982 U.S. Supreme Court case, &lt;em&gt;Oregon v. Kennedy&lt;/em&gt;, when a mistrial is granted after a defendant's motion (as here), the defendant cannot then bar a second trial. However, if the prosecutors can be proven to have intended to "provoke the defendant into moving for a mistrial," then a double jeopardy dismissal could be granted. Obviously it will be hard to show their oversight in Clemens' case was intentional. Without a clear pattern of violating the court's rulings, intentional conduct will not be shown--short of a prosecutor admitting it!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The real question is: "Should the government be trying Roger Clemens at all?" Many people have derided the use of 'precious government resources' in going after a now retired, well paid athlete who never harmed anyone (save for a few batters.) After all, aren't there more important crimes to prosecute than lying to Congress? For starters, if they didn't try him, wouldn't Barry Bonds' supporters be crying foul (not fair?) And what about Martha Stewart, who was convicted of lying to federal investigators, wouldn't her fans bemoan federal waffling?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And what are federal authorities supposed to do? Let a few lies go and say "Ok, it's only baseball, and Congress shouldn't be concerned about some ballplayers doping themselves anyway!" No, they couldn't let it go. He's too well known in sports and was really one of the 'great' players like Bonds. It would smack of favoritism or elitism or whatever people think lets the rich and the famous off the hook.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nope, the goverment should re-try Roger Clemens.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-2772600764542552353?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/2772600764542552353/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/07/should-government-get-to-re-try-roger.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/2772600764542552353'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/2772600764542552353'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/07/should-government-get-to-re-try-roger.html' title='Should the Government Get to Re-Try Roger Clemens?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-706063811067505538</id><published>2011-06-14T16:24:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2011-06-15T09:20:44.215-07:00</updated><title type='text'>In Memory of the Sweetest Client I Ever Had</title><content type='html'>My friend and former client, Leon, just passed away. He had been sick and suffering from endstage lung cancer for the last few months. Yet he always could laugh. Just recently we were watching the basketball playoffs together at the nursing home, and despite his pain, we made jokes about the awful looking food sitting on his tray that he had no appetite for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I met him in January 1984 when I was a public defender. He was charged with assault after he was attacked and defended himself a bit too well. The victim was a bully and had been harassing Leon all night at a CD tavern. When Leon finally went outside, more to leave than to fight, the bully came at him punching. In the scrum, he grabbed Leon's ankles and tried to take him down. Leon pulled a steak knife from his sock and began stabbing the aggressor in the back while the bully gripped his ankles. When they were pulled apart, the victim collapsed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;About a month later, the victim died, and Leon was charged with murder in the second degree. We raised self defense at trial but the jury disagreed and convicted him. Some of the jurors, who grew to like Leon, came to his sentencing but he was still sent to prison for 20 years to life. On the appeal my buddy Mike Filipovic did the bulk of the work and we won Leon a new trial. That's because the self defense instructions the judge read to the jury were improper. During the two years of the appeal, while in prison, Leon sobered up and luckily missed the raging crack epidemic that hit the inner city.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before his new trial we convinced the judge to release him pending trial, since he had such a perfect prison record and had no record of violence before the 1984 case. This time Mike helped me with the second trial and we were up against a persuasive prosecutor, Ray McFarland (who has since become a friend and fellow defense attorney.) Despite our best effort at that second trial, the jury once again would not let Leon off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But we weren't done. Back in those days, judges had more discretion at sentencing. And our trial judge, the Honorable Robert Elston, was a stickler for rules and the law. However, he was also an independent thinker. Somehow we convinced him that Leon had rehabilitated himself in prison, was no longer drinking and not a threat to society. Amazingly, he put Leon on probation for murder.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And Leon did not disappoint us. After a number of uneventful years on probation, his case was closed. Over the next 20 years or so I would see Leon every so often. He would come to my office and we'd go to lunch or I'd 'loan' him some money. Once he hauled some trash away from my house for me. He got married and divorced and always seemed to have a lot of friends, especially among the ladies. About 5 years ago he moved back to Texas where he was from so he could be near his sister and other family. For reasons I never understood, that did not work out so he moved back to Seattle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His last two years or so were rough. I would go see him at the hospital or his public housing apartment down on Holly Park. I would try to bring him his favorite 'pulled pork' sandwich and we'd eat lunch together. Church ladies, in-home careworkers, and others always seemed to be hovering over Leon's bed. He'd flirt with them all and everyone loved Leon. He was a guy who reached out to people. He seemed so full of love--it's hard to believe he could ever harm a fly let alone kill another human being.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the end, Leon's beauty is that he proved how a man can better himself. I will never forget him.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-706063811067505538?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/706063811067505538/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/06/in-memory-of-sweetest-client-i-ever-had.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/706063811067505538'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/706063811067505538'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/06/in-memory-of-sweetest-client-i-ever-had.html' title='In Memory of the Sweetest Client I Ever Had'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-5701815493530398951</id><published>2011-03-07T13:33:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-03-07T15:43:11.023-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='corruption trial'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='speedy justice'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='due process'/><title type='text'>Speedy Justice after the Egyptian Revolution?</title><content type='html'>We are all happy to see Hosni Mubarak go. When I was in Egypt late last year, people grumbled about the 'old pharoah,' but no one hinted at what would happen this year. And now the revolution kicks in with the nitty gritty: trials of the deposed leaders.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The "once feared and powerful" Habib el-Adly, Interior minister and head of the hated security apparatus of the deposed regime, came into court and pled not guilty to corruption charges. The allegation is that he sold a piece of public land to a contractor for personal gain. This kind of corruption was apparently endemic in the Mubarak era. No doubt people who stuffed their pockets in public jobs should be prosecuted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But so fast. . . the new regime has been in power only since February 11, and an indictment has already been prepared? Does this bode well for due process as we understand it? It seems typical of many revolutions to rush to judgment, particulary harsh ones for the former officer-holders. I think of Madame Defarge knitting while the nobles of the 'ancien regime' had their heads lopped off in short order.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;During el-Adly's 'arraignment,' one of the lawyers was screaming insults at the accused. Now, I've had prosecutors lambast my clients but not by screaming at an arraignment. Luckily the judge displayed a cooler head. He quickly shut the lawyer up, calmed down the proceedings, and then postponed it a month--to allow the defense lawyers to review the documents.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is speedy justice compared to our tortuous system. To begin with, it would have taken U.S. prosecutors months not 2 weeks to prepare an indictment this important, and then the defendant would be given ample time to review the prosecutor's case before going to trial. Although slow and deliberate, our rules require a speedy trial, which more often than not the accused agrees to extend to allow for more time to investigate the case. Justice cannot be speedy if the accused needs more time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speedy justice really means hurried justice which usually means no justice at all. Besides, speedy justice allows emotion to prevail, not law and reason. So the pace of events in the Egyptian court portends trouble. In the meantime, Egypt is working out a new constitution and a system to ensure fair elections. I hope they reform their society with all deliberate speed, but not in a rush to judgment.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-5701815493530398951?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/5701815493530398951/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/03/speedy-justice-after-egyptian.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5701815493530398951'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5701815493530398951'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/03/speedy-justice-after-egyptian.html' title='Speedy Justice after the Egyptian Revolution?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-5020632214628692060</id><published>2011-02-02T15:50:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-02-07T11:26:20.519-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Paranoia Strikes Deep</title><content type='html'>Recently I represented a 70 year old man who had been a teacher and a businessman for many years. He gave back to the community by volunteering as an umpire and referee for youth sports. He was not the kind of person I expected to need my help. And yet. . .&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He was working as a substitute teacher for a second grade class. One of the boys in his class would not return to his seat, so he asked him to come forward. He asked the boy if he'd like to be picked up by his ears. He promised it wouldn't hurt. So he told the boy to grip his wrists as hard as he could and use his brain power and concentrate. With the small boy putting all his weight on the teacher's wrists, the teacher used the forefinger and thumb on each hand to "pinch' the boy's ears and lift him a few inches off the ground. It's a trick he has used for many years: young kids think he is lifting them by the ears when in fact he is using their weight placed on his wrists to lift them. It is perfectly harmless. It is a way to give wayward boys some attention and to keep order in the room.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While he was doing this, apparently some teacher looked through the door window and complained to the principal about this. Without further ado, the principal relieved my client of his duties and sent him home. The kids in class later 'confirmed' he lifted the boy by his ears, even though the boy told the principal his ears did not hurt. The prinicipal called the police.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The police wanted to talk to my client. Ordinarily, I am reluctant to let clients talk to the police. For one, it rarely helps. The police will be filing their report with the prosecutor no matter what the client says, even if a valid defense is raised. Secondly, much of the time clients end up making statements that, shall we say, do not amount to a valid defense. In other words, they help make the case against them. And third, the police can misconstrue, misunderstand or simply get what my clients say wrong. There is also the problem that some clients lie and make it worse. So, the soundest advice is silence. Silence cannot be misconstrued and silence cannot later be used to raise an inference of guilt on account of the Fifth Amendment. In short, silence is golden.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, in this case, being charged would be a real problem for my client. The school district that used his substitute services immediately removed him from their list of substitutes on the ground that he would be criminally charged. And the State Superintendent of Public Instruction (SPI) started an investigation, which threatens his certification.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Luckily, the police officer investigating the case was reasonable and willing to hold off any decision to send the case for filing to the prosecutor until she heard from my client. With the possibility of no referral of charges, I talked to my client. He told me his story and his background and I believed him. He was innocent and articulate enough to be able to convince a police officer of that. I didn't think he could hurt his case, only help it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We went to see the police officer at her precinct, and after a very cordial conversation, she told us she did not think charges would be filed. Later she told us that the prosecutor reviewed the reports and agreed not to charge. Although not an acquittal by a jury, this was an even better result since no court record of a charge would be created.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course now my client has to confront the SPI investigation as well as petition to be placed back on the school district's list. But at least he can claim exoneration in the criminal investigation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The bigger question: have we, as a nation, gotten so paranoid that we call in the police at every turn? Here was an experienced teacher and a wonderfully decent man who was shabbily treated by officious, over-protective administrators. Sure, we have to protect our children and sure, there are bad people out there. But how about a little common sense? Not every touch is deviant! After all, state law holds that "the physical discipline of a child is not unlawful when it is reasonable and moderate and is inflicted by a parent, teacher, or guardian for purposes of restraining or correcting the child." (RCW 9A.16.100.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe the principal should have looked a this law and then taken a detailed story from my client as the police were willing to do. But the principal did not and called the police instead. So I conclude with apologies to Buffalo Springfield, "paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep, it starts when you're always afraid . ."&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-5020632214628692060?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/5020632214628692060/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/02/paranoia-strikes-deep.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5020632214628692060'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5020632214628692060'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/02/paranoia-strikes-deep.html' title='Paranoia Strikes Deep'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-7714379938633098664</id><published>2011-01-21T16:13:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-01-21T17:06:34.980-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The Inquest: Should the officer be charged?</title><content type='html'>Let me start by emphasizing that I am not a prosecutor and have never been one, except for a summer stint while in law school.  But as a criminal defense lawyer, I have been involved in my share of murder cases.  So I am coming from that angle.&lt;br /&gt;     I did not attend the recent Inquest.  My information is based on what&lt;em&gt; The Seattle Times&lt;/em&gt; and other publications printed.  My understanding is that the officer saw this guy, stopped his car, ordered him to drop his knife, began approaching him and shot him four times, killing him.  The victim appeared to have turned toward the officer but no witness described an aggressive move by the victim.  Even the officer could only describe an aggessive "look."  After all, only 4 seconds elapsed from the time he got out of his car until he shot him.&lt;br /&gt;     The Inquest jury of eight that heard this case was not unanimous.  However on this key question: "Based on the available information at the time Officer Birk fired his weapon, did John T. Williams then pose an imminent threat of serious physical harm to Officer Birk?"  Four jurors said no; three answered unknown and one said yes.  This is the type of question a jury in a criminal case would ultimately answer: was this killing justified by the lawful use of force? (i.e, self defense.)  My interpretation of the response to this question is that only one juror out of eight thought the killing was justified.  According to the jury, they applied the beyond a reasonable doubt standard when they answered the questions posed.  That is the same standard as a criminal case.&lt;br /&gt;    If a killing is not justified, shouldn't a jury of 12 decide if it is murder?  I have handled several murder cases where we raised self defense because the other person, the victim, had started the fight.  In one case, my client was punched several times and then in the scuffle drew a knife from his sock and began stabbing his opponent while they grappled.  They were pulled apart and later the victim died.  Two different juries found him guilty.  (He won a second trial after a successful appeal.)  Another case involved a man with a long record of violent crime who threatened to kill my client who ran into his house, got his gun and shot the victim 7-8 times from his porch, as the victim kept screaming "I'll kill you," though the victim had no weapon in his hand.  In both cases, the juries felt that excessive force was used.  They were instructed on the law which required that the lawful force employed be "not more than necessary."  After the trials of those cases, the jurors all said my clients had a right to use self defense, but that they went too far. &lt;br /&gt;    The officer in the recent inquest went too far as well.  He shot someone who was not an imminent threat four times.  Wasn't that excessive force, or more force than necessary?  If he were not a police officer, he would probably be prosecuted.  However, the law gives him more protection.  Under RCW 9A.16.040(3): "A public officer or peace officer shall not be held criminally liable for using deadly force  without malice and with a good faith belief that such act is justifiable pursuant to this section."  To be sure, most of the Inquest jurors agreed that he believed he was under an imminent threat.  In other words, he was not acting in bad faith.  What is more this law defines an imminent threat as "displays a weapon in a manner that could reasonably be construed as threatening."  This statute will probably insulate the officer from prosecution.&lt;br /&gt;   The recent history of juries rejecting criminal prosecutions of police will also influence the prosecutor.  Even where an officer is caught on video beating up a teenage girl, it shows how hard it is to get juries to convict the police of crimes.  Of course, the officer in the Inquest case is likely to be sued, so there will be some civil justice.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-7714379938633098664?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/7714379938633098664/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/01/inquest-should-officer-be-charged.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/7714379938633098664'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/7714379938633098664'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2011/01/inquest-should-officer-be-charged.html' title='The Inquest: Should the officer be charged?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-5290639031271254617</id><published>2010-12-13T09:28:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2010-12-15T08:55:09.028-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The Advantage of the Well Connected Snitch.</title><content type='html'>Recently I had a client go before a federal judge for sentencing on a mortgage fraud case. He was sentenced to 15 months in prison. Here was a guy who had no prior record whatsoever. Everyone who knew him liked and trusted him. Since the crime was completed several years ago, he found a new job and his boss loved him. And yet, despite my best effort to save him from prison, and to save his job, the judge sent him away. The judge relied on the seriousness of the crime to deny a lesser sentence. No question it was serious: he may have to pay back as much as $915,000 to the original lenders for his involvement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fraud worked this way: the con artist/businessman leader of the fraud originally convinced his friends and relatives he had a way to make money in the exploding real estate market of the early part of this decade. He would have them 'invest' in real estate by agreeing to sign loan papers indicating they were going to buy and occupy a home. This would enable them to get the lowest possible loan rate, as banks historically believed that owner/occupants were the safest borrowers. The catch (and the big lie on all the loan applications) was that they were not really owner/occupants. Instead the con artist would actually pay them to just use their name and good credit. They were "straw buyers." Then the con artist would pay more than the asking price to the seller, claiming it went to a fund to improve the property and pay the mortgage. But he actually siphoned off the money for his own use.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When this 'fund' began to dwindle, he would recruit another person to "buy" the property at a higher price. Up to 2008, the spiralling market permitted such quick flips. Many people made a lot of money this way. And the banks and lenders never seemed to scrutinize the borrowers or their applications much. Since real estate prices were always going up, it was all about the property and not the borrower. And anyway, the lenders did not hold onto the loans, but sold them off to other investors. These were then sold in bulk as collaterized debt obligations to other investors. So the lenders were recklessly indifferent. (Hence a lot of bank and mortgage company failures.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Originally my client loaned money to the con artist and was initially paid back. Then he was asked to be a buyer for two properties, knowing full well that he was lying on the loan applications because he was not occupying the property. And then he recruited two more people to be "straw buyers." He helped one "straw buyer" lie on the application form by agreeing to corroborate falsely inflated income. This was probably his worst sin. Later, when he was confronted by the feds, he confessed and told the truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now many of you may say that this type of fraud has hurt our economy. And people who engage in this should be punished hard. Examples must be made and messages sent to the community that this type of fraud cannot go unpunished. This is all true but. . . why does prison have to be the answer for a serious crime? Particularly where the individual involved is remorseful, rehabilitated and has been positively contributing to society for nearly three years since the crime? We proposed a combination of community service work, 6 months of home detention and 30 days in jail. The judge rejected this for a 15 month prison sentence. Aren't we punishing ourselves by locking up positive contributors? And anyway, don't we have too many people in prison already?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even more galling, and typical of the 'logic' of federal sentencing is the 8 month sentence of a codefendant. A codefendant the government lawyer told the judge was equally culpable with my client. That codefendant worked for a lender, was an insider and betrayed that trust. And yet because he was able to cooperate and name names at his bank (whom the government will probably charge separately) he got a lighter sentence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That is the ultimate 'message' the court sends: If you're caught and you are sufficiently intertwined with other lawbreakers, you can optimize your position by turning on them. You will do better than less knowledgeable but equally culpable lawbreakers. Sometimes people higher up in the criminal hierarchy get lower sentences than people near the bottom who aren't as involved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What does that have to do with punishment and rehabilitation? Actually, it has more to do with law enforcement. Since the Supreme Court reinstated judicial discretion and did away with mandatory guideline sentences, the courts look to the "purposes" of sentencing. Helping the government prosecute other people is not a "purpose" of sentencing but it is a goal of law enforcement. So in this instance, the federal judge gave the ability to help law enforcement a greater reward than rehabilitation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is that justice?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-5290639031271254617?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/5290639031271254617/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/12/advantage-of-well-connected-snitch.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5290639031271254617'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5290639031271254617'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/12/advantage-of-well-connected-snitch.html' title='The Advantage of the Well Connected Snitch.'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-4927748926266596750</id><published>2010-11-18T13:38:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-11-18T15:39:25.146-08:00</updated><title type='text'>A Trip to a Police State</title><content type='html'>I just returned from four weeks of travel in Egypt. It was fantastic--the temples, pyramids and other sites were magnificent. The people were warm and welcoming--the mere mention of President Obama would bring high fives and fist pumps. They seem to love Americans. I say "seem" because Egypt is run by an all powerful, modern "pharoah." His family and cronies literally own the country and you have to wonder if everyone has been indoctrinated. After all, the U.S. government is a huge contributer to their military budget, not to mention nonmilitary aid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is also a police state. The 'Tourist and Antiquaties' (T &amp;amp; A) police are everywhere. Outside all but one of our hotels, the white uniformed and armed cops were stationed. All monuments had varying levels of security. Some had airport style security; others had X-ray machines; and others just had the T &amp;amp; A police eyeballing all of those who entered. At virtually all junctions on roads outside the cities, there were checkpoints with gates, guards and guns--big ones! Egypt has had 3 major terrorist actions since 1997: one at Luxor, one at Sharm el Sheikh and one at Taba--the latter two are on the Sinai peninsula. These were all directed at tourists. Since Egypt is dependent on tourism, their security is essential. In fact, when we travelled overland from Mt. Sinai to Sharm el Sheikh we had a plainclothes bodyguard in our van--at no expense to us. He wore a dark wool suit and carried a submachine gun on his hip. He was muscular and resembled actor, Eric Estrada. When we flattered him with his resemblence, he began smiling. Turned out to be a likable fellow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Other T &amp;amp; A police would attempt to direct you to the 'good' parts of monuments. Then they would hold their palms out for some 'baksheesh.' (That's a tip or a bribe, depending on circumstances.) While we were at the Citadel--Saladin's famous walled compound on a hill overlooking central Cairo--one white uniformed fellow offered to take us on a personal tour of the old British prison where Anwar Sadat was once held. Since it was not open to the public, we paid him the 5 pound baksheesh. All too often, they wanted baksheesh just for pointing at a picture spot. We were free to decline. Locals, however, such as taxicab drivers, complained to me about police who demanded baksheesh just to let them pull over and pick up tourists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The obvious downside is that civil liberties are not protected here. I imagine the local newspapers don't criticize the government much. To be sure, the English language ones did not. Our guides were always very defensive about their government much less their heritage. To such a degree that when I asked a guide about the possibility of human sacrifice at the Abydos monument (as reported in National Geographic) some 4,000 years ago, she denied it and replied that all sorts of misinformation is out there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I shudder to think what political dissidents must go through. Given the fragile balance of freedom v. terrorism, it would too easy for the government to label critics as terrorists and then treat them accordingly. The U.S. government has enough trouble with that equation. In private moments with educated people such as guides, now and then they would bemoan the current regime. But it was hard to imagine a truly free, contested election in the near future there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One advantage of a police state is that the crime rate is very low. According to the State Department site, violent crime is rare in Egypt. This is consistent with my experience there. Early in our trip I met an Egyptian who lived (ironically) in Alexandria, VA, but was visiting his mother in Cairo. He told me tourists are gold. The government protects them and people do not want to fall into disfavor with tourists. Thus he said it was safe to walk virtually anywhere--as long as you could resist the incessant attempts to sell you something.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Selling and touting can be irritants, but they are not threatening. Although every price is negotiable, except restaurant prices, once you reach an agreement on price it is respected. Of course tourists are vulnerable to overpaying, as I did in my first taxi ride. The lesson was to learn the right price for the trip and tell the driver BEFORE GETTING IN THE CAB that is what you'll pay. Even then, one time I said the 4 of us would pay 15 Egyptian pounds (~3$). The driver nodded. At the end of the ride the cabbie tried to claim 15 pounds per person. I shook my head no, gave him the agreed price and walked away. Nice try, but I felt safe in standing up for myself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Egypt has a history that goes back about 5000 years. After about 30 centuries of rule by local Egyptians or Nubians, it was conquered or occupied by a who's who list of nations: Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs, Mamlukes, Turks, French and British, to name some. All of these people literally left their mark. Despite being a police state, it is a fascinating place to visit. Go see Egypt for yourself.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-4927748926266596750?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/4927748926266596750/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/11/trip-to-police-state.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/4927748926266596750'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/4927748926266596750'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/11/trip-to-police-state.html' title='A Trip to a Police State'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-803790435792773526</id><published>2010-10-01T14:29:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2010-10-01T15:56:47.562-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='vacation of record'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='restoration'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='civil rights'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='right to possess a firearm'/><title type='text'>Can I Get My Rights Back?</title><content type='html'>After a person is convicted of a felony they automatically lose these civil rights: to vote, to serve on a jury, to hold public office, and to possess a firearm.  Several misdemeanors that involve domestic violence also cause a person to lose the right to possess a firearm.  The good news is that many people convicted of various nonviolent crimes can get their civil rights reinstated, including the right to possess a firearm&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Under Washington law, RCW 9.94A.637, if a person completes all requirements of a sentence, they are entitled to a certificate of discharge that will restore all civil rights except the right to possess a firearm.  To restore the right to possess a firearm, a person must petition a court under RCW 9.41.040.  And to be eligible, the crime must not be a "serious felony," as defined by RCW 9.41.010(16).  That means if the person was convicted of a violent crime, various sex crimes, or a crime with a deadly weapon, the person is not eligible.  So most property crimes, including theft, possession of stolen property, burglary, and drug offenses qualify&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Recently a former client of mine who was convicted of mail fraud in federal court asked if he could get his civil rights including his right to possess a firearm restored.  If you have a federal conviction for a felony the short answer is "FHUGGETABOUTIT!"  In truth, there is no mechanism short of a presidential pardon to get your civil rights restored following a federal felony conviction&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    The U.S. Supreme Court in a convoluted way has said this much: "We express no opinion on whether a federal felon cannot have his civil rights restored under federal law. This is a complicated question, one which involves the interpretation of the federal law relating to federal civil rights, see U.S. Const., Art. I, § 2, cl. 1 (right to vote for Representatives); U.S. Const., Amdt. XVII (right to vote for Senators); 28 U.S.C. § 1865 (right to serve on a jury); consideration of the possible relevance of 18 U.S.C. § 925(c) (1988 ed., Supp. IV), which allows the Secretary of the Treasury to grant relief from the disability imposed by § 922(g); and the determination whether civil rights must be restored by an affirmative act of a Government official,  . .  ." &lt;em&gt;Beecham v. United States&lt;/em&gt;, 511 U.S. 368, 373 (1994)&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     In &lt;em&gt;Beecham&lt;/em&gt;, the defendants had prior federal felony convictions, and then had their residential states "restore their civil rights, including the right to possess a firearm." They were later prosecuted under federal law for possessing firearms as convicted felons. They argued that since there was no mechanism for restoration of civil rights in federal court, the state court restorations immunized them from prosecution for being felons in possession of a firearm. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that only the federal government could restore their civil rights since they had federal convictions. Their convictions were upheld&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  Conversely, if their underlying convictions were state crimes, then the restoration of gun rights by the state court would have immunized them from prosecution for felon in possession of a firearm&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;      Based on that case, the only hope, short of the Pres pardoning a federal felon, is to write the Sec'y of the Treasury, Tim Geithner, and see what happens.  I suspect nothing&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     State law not only restores rights, but certain convicted felons can have their records vacated as well under RCW 9.94A.640.  The crimes have to be nonviolent and nonsex, and must be either class B (ten year maximum) or class C (5 year max) to qualify.  For a class B crime, a person must be crime-free for 10 years following the date they are discharged from their sentence; for class C crimes, 5 years of crime free conduct.  Similarly for certain misdemeanors, it takes a 3 year crime free period to qualify.  Misdemeanors involving violence, domestic violence or driving under the influence are not eligible for vacation&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     One caveat: people who receive 'deferred sentences' on misdemeanors are often told by the judge that if they comply with the sentence just imposed, their record will be clear.  Wrong!  Although it is true that if they successfully complete probation following a deferred sentence the case will be "dismissed," that does not mean the record will be "cleared."  Without an order vacating the conviction, the Washington State Patrol (WSP) will still show a "record."  The WSP "record" will show the crime and its disposition as: "dismissed."  But if you get the case vacated, then a WSP record check, will come back as: "no record."  And that is what you want when you apply for a job&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-803790435792773526?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/803790435792773526/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/10/can-i-get-my-rights-back.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/803790435792773526'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/803790435792773526'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/10/can-i-get-my-rights-back.html' title='Can I Get My Rights Back?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-4764739926079025086</id><published>2010-08-06T11:44:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-08-06T15:03:46.073-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='request a lawyer'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='DUI. breath test'/><title type='text'>When Lawyers Get Arrested. . .</title><content type='html'>The arrest of a prominent attorney for DUI and her claim that she had a concussion and was not intoxicated reminds me of other attorneys or judges who have been arrested. You'd think, lawyers would know the drill: be nice, don't talk, ask for a lawyer&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;More often than not, lawyers forget their training when arrested. That is, they try to talk their way out of trouble instead of shutting up and asking for a lawyer. In fact I heard of one lawyer, on his second DUI arrest, not only talked but he refused the breath test as well. Very dumb, as refusal is the worst option. It carries a one year revocation of license and juries later hear about and hold it against the accused.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally I have represented lawyers who were busted, most commonly for DUI. One lawyer was a perfect gentleman with a drinking problem. He was a public defender and had two separate DUI cases. For one we set up the treatment option, known as a deferred prosecution. This allows the case to remain pending for five years, and if the treatment is completed with no other arrests or alcohol violations, the case is dismissed. He was successful. On his other case, I managed to get it dismissed due to a speedy trial violation. He was quiet, unassuming and followed my advice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then there are the lawyers who talk themselves into trouble. I teach criminal trial advocacy at a local law school, and one of my former students hired me. He got arrested when a friend of his was being investigated for DUI. He had walked over to the scene of his friend's arrest and tried to intervene. He kept pushing his card into the officer's hand and tried to engage him in a conversation. The officer kept telling him to leave the scene of the investigation. Finally, after several warnings to leave, the officer arrested him for obstruction. This was a valid arrest, since for safety and other reasons, the police are entitled to be left alone when they are working a case. I had to beg the prosecutor for a dispositional continuance (good behavior, etc., and then case dismissed) by pointing out that he was still an over-exuberant law student.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A much less typical but amazing case was that of another law student. He was studying for a final exam and was disturbed by some teenagers riding dirt bikes in a vacant lot next to his apartment. He asked them to be quiet and they wouldn't. So he went back to his apartment and came down with a tiny keyring gun, that actually fired a real, but very small bullet. He pointed it in the air at the bike riders and they, being delinquents themselves, began yelling "felony, felony!" Within a few minutes he was arrested and booked for assault with a firearm. After I worked the case a bit, he pled to a misdemeanor assault and eventually had his record cleared.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another time I represented an out of state lawyer on a hit and run charge. He told the police he never hit anyone and that is why he left the scene of the accident. Unfortunately there were matching dents on both cars, so he decided to pay for the damages. Foolishly I trusted this lawyer and used part of the trust account (my fees) to pay off the claim. He never paid me back. I never sued him on the debt because he was the type who would have counter sued me on some trumped up claim just to cause trouble.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The lawyers and judges who get arrested, plead and take their medicine like everyone else can be admirable. I know of a former prosecutor who had gone to a sporting event. Upon his return to his parked car, he discovered a tow truck driver had it jacked up and ready to go. He lost it with the tow truck driver and ended up punching him in the nose. He was arrested and charged with misdemeanor assault. He pled guilty at arraignment and then tendered his resignation as a prosecutor. The elected prosecutor refused to accept the resignation. I don't blame him--why fire a mensch?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-4764739926079025086?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/4764739926079025086/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/08/when-lawyers-get-arrested.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/4764739926079025086'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/4764739926079025086'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/08/when-lawyers-get-arrested.html' title='When Lawyers Get Arrested. . .'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-2622375156466946623</id><published>2010-07-21T09:36:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-21T13:59:31.871-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='civil debt'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='compromise of misdemeanor'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='shoplifter'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='theft'/><title type='text'>Shoplifters, Beware!</title><content type='html'>If you have a notion to take something from a store without paying, don't do it! Even if you feel that the big box, corporate store would not feel it, you will. For starters, they are watching. They have hidden cameras, security personnel dressed like shoppers, and detection devices at the doors&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And once you are caught, not only will you be prosecuted, but the store can sue you for damages under RCW 4.24.230. That provides: " An adult or emancipated minor who . . . [steals]is liable in addition to actual damages, for a penalty to the owner or seller in the amount of the retail value thereof not to exceed two thousand eight hundred fifty dollars, plus an additional penalty of not less than one hundred dollars nor more than six hundred fifty dollars, plus all reasonable attorney's fees and court costs expended by the owner or seller&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This liability is in addition to potential criminal proscution. Frequently, people get notices after being caught by security from distant lawyers practicing in states like Florida. The letter demands anywhere from $100 to $650 for the petty cases. The letter must contain this notice: "IMPORTANT NOTICE: The payment of any penalty demanded of you does not prevent criminal prosecution under a related criminal provision." If you receive such a notice, don't just pay right away. It may be worth consulting a lawyer&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One way to mitigate the inevitable criminal prosecution is to try to work out a 'compromise of the misdemeanor.' This compromise is described in another Washington law, RCW 10.22.010. It grants a court discretion to dismiss an eligible charge (where the charge was not committed upon an officer, or done “riotously,” or with intent to commit a felony or involve domestic violence.) The key requirement is that the injured party must “acknowledge in writing that he or she has received satisfaction for the injury.” So if you want to pay the civil fine, it may be worth negotiating with the victim of the theft to get them to agree to sign off on a compromise of the misdemeanor&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One irony for shoplifters: the big corporate chains--Sears, KMART, Fry's Electronics, etc. are the most likely to catch you, the most likely to make a civil demand, and the least likely to agree to a compromise of the misdemeanor when you are charged with a crime. "It's against corporate policy" or some such rubbish is their reasoning. They want your purchases but they don't really care about you: the no mercy rule. In contrast, the poorer, solo shopowners who can't afford the fancy security are more likely to sign off on a compromise. One more reason to stay away from chain stores&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These rules apply to juveniles as well. That is, the custodial parent can be sued on the civil side. Of course that may give the parent a right to collect that debt from their young loved one.&lt;br /&gt;For example there is a case where the juvenile shoplifted a $20 shirt and his father paid a civil penalty of $175 to the store, the court required the son to pay his father $100 back in restitution. State v. T.A.D., 122 Wn. App. 290, (2004)&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So &lt;em&gt;caveat emptor: &lt;/em&gt;buyer and shoplifter, beware&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-2622375156466946623?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/2622375156466946623/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/07/shoplifters-beware.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/2622375156466946623'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/2622375156466946623'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/07/shoplifters-beware.html' title='Shoplifters, Beware!'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-2930764442470380905</id><published>2010-07-02T11:38:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-02T14:07:21.934-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='police conduct'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='self defense'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lawful force'/><title type='text'>How Could the Jury Let That Cop Off?</title><content type='html'>King County deputy sheriff punches and kicks a juvenile on videotape, lies on his reports, gets fired, and yet two juries have failed to convict him for a misdemeanor assault on the 15 year old girl!  Even stranger--the first jury votes 11-1 to convict and the second 11-1 to acquit, a total reversal&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;  What is going on?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     To begin with, when a case is re-tried to a new set of 12 jurors, it is a fresh start even if the evidence comes out exactly the same.   People can view the evidence in different ways, depending on their background and other characteristics.  Here, the first case was tried in downtown Seattle and the second case was tried in Kent--the two locales for King County Superior Court.  The Kent site jurors are from south King County.  In the same manner, downtown Seattle cases draw only city residents and north enders.  It is well known that north King County residents (including Seattle) are richer and better educated on average than south end residents.  So it is likely the two jury panels had different socio-economic averages, which explains one difference in how they act as jurors and perceived the case&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Another difference is that the evidence usually does not come out exactly the same in the second trial.  So it is like a fresh shake of the dice if the evidence differs enough.  And certain subtleties such as impeachment with prior testimony from the first trial can effect the perceptions in the second trial.  Another strong possibility is the arrogance of the prosecutor.  Since he won the first 11-1, he probably did nothing to improve his hand and just replayed what he did the first time.  I question whether he vigorously cross-examined the defendant, especially using the lies he told about the incident&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     In fact, a big factor in the second trial, according to some jurors, is that the prosecutor "didn't prove if the force was unlawful or lawful."  That is, the jury was no doubt instructed on lawful force, which sets out the law on 'self defense.'  That instruction defines what is lawful force and specifically requires the prosecutor to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant was not employing reasonable force.  This is a high hurdle for the prosecutor.  To begin with, jurors are going to give police officers a lot of leeway in employing force on their jobs.  To be sure, if the officer had simply grabbed the girl and forcibly cuffed her after she kicked the shoe at him, he wouldn't even have been charged.  So he could legally use force to restrain her&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  It also probably helped the defense that young people (recent jaywalking incident) may be perceived as not respecting police.  That is a subject a creative defense lawyer might have used in jury selection or closing argument&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     And yet, the officer seemed to punch and kick her unnecessarily.  So the issue was really whether his use of force was "excessive."  The standard jury instruction uses the phrase: "when the force is not more than is necessary."  That phrase is further explained to the jury this way: "The person using or attempting the force may employ such force and means as a reasonably prudent person would use under the same or similar conditions as they appeared to the person, taking into consideration all of the facts and circumstances known to the person at the time of and prior to the incident."  So the officer's training, experience and background with similar offenders is relevant.  And the jury noted this when one remarked: "It was a very strong show of force, but the fact she was not injured during the process shows he followed the techniques he was trained to use."  In other words, they bought the defense argument that the state had not proved that the force was excessive beyond a reasonable doubt&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.  Again, I wonder if the state produced sufficient expert testimony to rebut this claim&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     There is no question that the cop's attorney, Peter Offenbecker, did a great job, especially dealing with the negative publicity and the preconceptions a  jury would harbor.  In contrast, the prosecutor should question his trial skills.  Results like this always baffle anyone who did not sit throughout the entire trial and hear all of the testimony and arguments.  At this point, this is a case that the state should not and probably will not re-try.  And I doubt the federal prosecutor will take the case.  The only 'justice' is that the County did settle a civil suit by the 15 year old girl.  Except. . . we, the taxpayers, footed that bill&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-2930764442470380905?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/2930764442470380905/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/07/how-could-jury-let-that-cop-off.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/2930764442470380905'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/2930764442470380905'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/07/how-could-jury-let-that-cop-off.html' title='How Could the Jury Let That Cop Off?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-5847886830566188615</id><published>2010-06-24T09:13:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-24T10:59:07.667-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Sign a petition and stand by your position.</title><content type='html'>Today the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Washington's Public Disclosure Law does not violate the First Amendment rights of people who sign petitions to change the law.  &lt;em&gt;Doe v. Reed&lt;/em&gt; involved the referendum to repeal the law giving same-sex couples some of the same rights and benefits heterosexual couples get.  That referendum was later rejected by 53% of the voters; &lt;em&gt;i.e&lt;/em&gt;., the same-sex couples law was upheld&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Before that election when the referendum supporters had enough signatures to get the issue on the ballot, opponents of the referendum filed for disclosure of the names of the referendum signers.  Under state law, the signers' names and addresses on successful petitions are considered state documents and subject to public disclosure.  The signers objected, arguing their right to freedom of expression would be chilled by the potential for harassment for their position.   A federal district judge in Tacoma agreed and issued an injunction barring release of the names.  In an 8-1 decision the court reversed, and Chief Justice Roberts wrote: "disclosure requirements may burden the ability to speak, but they do not prevent anyone from speaking &lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Justice Sotomayor concurred with that reasoning: "for persons with the "civic courage" to participate in this process, the State’s decision to make accessible what they voluntarily place in the public sphere should not deter them from engaging in the expressive act of petition signing."  Although the Court threw out the First Amendment challenge, it left open the possibility that the referendum signers might still prevent disclosure if they could qualify for an exemption under the Public Disclosure Law.  As Justice Stevens in his concurring opinion noted: "there would have to be a significant threat of harassment directed at those who sign the petition that cannot be mitigated by law enforcement measures" for disclosure to be granted&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     The referendum signers wanted to remain anonymous because they 'feared' harassment from the other side.  I'm not sure that's what was really going on.  I think they wanted to hide their biases and prejudices against same-sex couples from ridicule.  Because their attempt to 'protect marriage' is narrow minded and stupid.  The fact that some adults wish to spend their domestic, private lives with the same sex has no effect upon others who choose to spend their private lives with the opposite sex.  The argument that a marriage's only purpose is to sanctify the procreation and raising of children is to miss the point of love and marriage.  Just because only opposite sex marriages can result in biologicial children, it does not mean others should not enjoy marriage and have an equal right to the benefits the law confers.    And in any event, I know many same sex couples who are much better parents than opposite sex couples&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Of greater concern is this notion of anonymity.  In the era of the internet it is much easier to express opinions anonymously behind some username.  That permits the most extreme, irresponsible positions, arguing nonsense such as death panels.  The notion that anonymity is sacred is wrong.  Even the supposed right to a secret ballot is not that old.  As Justice Scalia pointed out: "Voting was public until 1888 when the States began to adopt the Australian secret ballot. . . We have acknowledged the existence of a First Amendment interest in voting, but we have never said that it includes the right to vote anonymously."  Opinions about the public policy must be openly discussed.  On this I agree with Justice Scalia when he writes: "For my part, I do not look forward to a society which campaigns anonymously and even exercises the direct democracy of initiative and referendum hidden from public scrutiny and protected from the accountability of criticism. This does not resemble the Home of the Brave&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    If you don't have the courage to stand by your convictions, then you shouldn't sign petitions or take positions that others can hear or read in any medium.  Having to withstand criticism and defending your position is part of the process.  Otherwise, there is no marketplace of ideas, but just a jeering crowd of anonymous hecklers and bigots&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-5847886830566188615?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/5847886830566188615/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/06/sign-petition-and-stand-by-your.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5847886830566188615'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5847886830566188615'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/06/sign-petition-and-stand-by-your.html' title='Sign a petition and stand by your position.'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-1370720837806468280</id><published>2010-06-16T10:09:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-16T12:05:04.337-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Are the Police Getting More Violent?</title><content type='html'>The recent posting of the video of a police officer punching a 17 year old girl in the face revives this question. In that particular case, the officer was trying to control or handcuff another woman who allegedly jaywalked. The 17 year old intervened (even though you can see a male trying to pull her away from the confrontation) and began preventing the arrest of the other female. She was tussling with the officer when he punched her once in the face, which backed her off and allowed him to try to regain control of the person he wanted to arrest&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first questions that come to my mind are: why was this patrol officer making a jaywalking arrest and couldn't he have used less force to gain control of the situation? Jaywalking is one of those offenses that officers can use to harass people or to see if they have warrants. On the other hand, this officer may always stop jaywalkers because it is an infraction. The fact is people should not openly break the law--even jaywalking--in front of police officers as it may challenge their authority. As to the force used, there may have been better ways to gain control of the situation, but most police officers do not tolerate disrepect or any disobedience. They will react to situtations that appear threatening to them, especially in light of all the violence directed toward the police lately&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Several other recent videos show police conduct that is far more violent and lawless. One was where the arrested man was cuffed and face down on the street and the police kicked and stomped him. He appeared helpless and the officer's insulting words involving Mexicans seemed to indicate an unlawful motive. The most egregious was the 15 year old girl who was beaten by an officer after she ostensibly disrespected him by lightly kicking her shoe at him. In these two cases the police clearly went over the line. Of course, years ago the Rodney King beating remains the most famous example of police violence. Do these instances reflect greater violence, or is it that more video cameras are just capturing what has always gone on? It's hard to say, but I have had plenty of clients tell me over the years about police violence&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Prosecutors have charged police with crimes in recent years for their excessive or unlawful use of force.  In Everett, a police officer was tried for murder when a DUI suspect allegedly tried to leave the scene or run him over, depending on whose version was believed.  The officer raised self defense and the jury acquitted him.  Notably, the jury did not award him costs because they did not find by a preponderance of the evidence that he was using lawful force.  Here in Seattle, the office who beat the 15 year old was tried for assault and also raised self defense.  The first jury to hear that case hung.  Reportedly, one juror held out against 11 others who voted to convict.  That case will be re-tried.  However, even where the video seems to prove the officer lost it and beat the girl, there are jurors who won't convict.  But the mere fact that there have been several prosecutions lately makes me think that police violence could be on the uptick&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=1370720837806468280#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     So returning to our 17 year old who was punched in the face, even if the officer used excessive force, what is to be done? To begin with, it will probably not be a defense to her potential charges of assault on the officer or for obstructing the arrest of the other woman. Generally, a person may use force to aid another in resisting an arrest by a police officer &lt;strong&gt;only&lt;/strong&gt; if the person being arrested is &lt;strong&gt;in&lt;/strong&gt; &lt;strong&gt;actual and imminent danger of serious injury&lt;/strong&gt; from an officer's use of excessive force. The video does not show that the officer was using much force on the woman he was first trying to arrest. Similarly, a person being arrested has no right to resist even an unlawful arrest. They can only resist when there is actual and imminent danger of serious injury&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     If a person is subject to an unlawful arrest, then the remedy is to sue the officer, not to resist the arrest. The 17 year old who was punched in the video may have a civil suit, although I doubt it will have much merit given that she had no right to intervene. On the other hand, the 15 year old who was beaten and the man face down on the street may have very good civil cases to pursue&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-1370720837806468280?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/1370720837806468280/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/06/are-police-getting-more-violent.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/1370720837806468280'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/1370720837806468280'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/06/are-police-getting-more-violent.html' title='Are the Police Getting More Violent?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-3933484515721921995</id><published>2010-06-10T15:10:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-10T15:28:22.216-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='independence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='judges'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics and law'/><title type='text'>KEEP YOUR POLITICS AS FAR FROM JUDICIAL ELECTIONS AS POSSIBLE!</title><content type='html'>Traditionally American courts have been more independent from politics than the other two branches of government.  This is so despite judges having to run for office in many states.  Although in all federal courts and in some states judges are appointed, in a number of other states, such as Washington, judges at all levels—municipal on up to the state’s Supreme Court—are elected&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;       Over the years in Washington state, judges’ elections have become more expensive and a bit more political.  Some of our Supreme Court races are shaping up to be more of a left v. right type than previously.  On the other hand, voters tend not to be well informed about judges’ politics, so that candidates with common last names, such a Johnson, have been able to exploit that&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     But that’s nothing compared to the threat to judicial independence that San Diego County in California went through recently.  There, a slate of four Christian lawyers, who vowed to be God’s ambassadors, ran against four sitting and well-respected judges.  This slate was backed by a group of pastors, gun enthusiasts, and opponents of abortion and same sex marriage.  (Can anyone explain why gun lovers and devout Christians band together?  Does the NRA contribute to churches?)  Luckily, the voters of San Diego County saw through this assault on the judiciary and voted to keep their independent judges in office just this week&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     This may not be the last we see of such electoral politics.  Such tactics might succeed better in more rural counties or even in Spokane County, where such interest groups might see this as a way of electing judges more inclined to their way of thinking.  And that’s what is most disturbing.  I am avowed liberal, but I would oppose the ACLU putting together a slate of judges.  As a lawyer, I don’t want to be in any judge’s court who appealed to any interest group’s ‘way of thinking&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;’ &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     To be effective, fair and impartial, judges have to be open minded and not beholden to a special interest’s ‘way of thinking.’  Now that the U.S. Supreme Court has thrown out laws limiting how much corporations can give to political candidates, another threat is for a corporate slates of judges to emerge.  What if Boeing or Microsoft put together such a slate?  Their 'way of thinking' is mostly governed by dollars and cents.  Imagine trying to get a fair trial if you sue them! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     The only ‘way of thinking’ a judge must follow is to uphold the Constitution and to interpret the laws passed by the legislature and enforced by the executive.  Perhaps I am being a bit unrealistic to think that judge's decisions are apolitical.  Yet, if some other ‘way of thinking’ intruded, any decision by that judge would be suspect, and certainly not better&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-3933484515721921995?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/3933484515721921995/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/06/keep-your-politics-as-far-from-judicial.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/3933484515721921995'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/3933484515721921995'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/06/keep-your-politics-as-far-from-judicial.html' title='KEEP YOUR POLITICS AS FAR FROM JUDICIAL ELECTIONS AS POSSIBLE!'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-5010983737127648535</id><published>2010-06-02T12:46:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-02T14:57:07.717-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='police conduct'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='assertion of rights'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Miranda warnings'/><title type='text'>Do You Have the Right to Remain Silent?</title><content type='html'>For many years in nearly all TV cop shows, the police read the Miranda warnings to the people they arrest. Despite the warnings, they talk. After all, it wouldn't make for very good TV if the suspects asserted their rights much. So usually they talk or provide absurd alibis or excuses that lead to the next scene. But in real life, after the police read the Miranda warnings ("You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can be used against you . .") what does a person need to do to assert his or her rights? If they just remain silent, is that enough? Recently the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that refusing to talk is not a sufficient assertion of the right to remain silent&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems absurd.  For what must a person do to exercise his right to remain silent beyond actually remaining silent? But lets look at the facts of the case--Berghuis v. Thompkins. The defendant, Van Thompkins, was arrested for murder at 1:30 p.m., taken to an 8x10 interrogation room and properly read all his Miranda rights. During the next three hours, Thompkins was mostly silent in the face of police questioning, answering some questions 'yes' or 'no' or nodding his head. At no time did he request a lawyer or say anything such as 'I wish to remain silent.' In the last 15 minutes, the police asked him: Do you believe in God?” He said “Yes,” as his eyes “welled up with tears.” Eventually he was asked, “Do you pray to God to forgive you for shooting that boy down?” He answered, "Yes." Which was all the prosecution needed&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Before the U.S. Supremes accepted this case, a federal Court of Appeals ruled that: “persistent silence for nearly three hours in response to questioning and repeated invitations to tell his side of the story offered a clear and unequivocal message to the officers" that he did not wish to waive his rights. Moreover, the police never asked for an express waiver of the Miranda rights. In a close 5-4 decision, the Supremes reversed, holding that: "Thompkins did not say that he wanted to remain silent or that he did not want to talk with the police. Had he made either of these simple, unambiguous statements, he would have invoked his ‘right to cut off questioning.’ Here he did neither, so he did not invoke his right to remain silent." The clear message is that an arrested person must say something such as, "I don't want to talk," or "I wish to remain silent." After such an assertion, then the law protects a person from repeated interrogation or other attempts to get around his constitutional rights&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Requesting a lawyer provides even more protection of the arrested person's rights. Unless and until the police get an attorney to the scene of the interrogation, they cannot resume questioning. Yet, with the Court's latest decision, the door to police persistence is further opened. The newest Justice--Sotomayor--writing the dissenting opinion, notes that the majority decision: "invites police to question a suspect at length—notwithstanding his persistent refusal to answer questions—in the hope of eventually obtaining a single inculpatory response." Silence alone, then, does not prevent the police from trying every interrogation trick in the book, from appealing to religion (as with Thompkins), or to motherhood, or perhaps using a ruse or a lie such as your pal says 'you did it&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Our constitutional rights not to incriminate ourselves (5th Amendment) and to counsel (6th Amendment) are precious, but they do not protect us when they lie dormant. If you wish to assert your rights, you must say it. And you must say it loudly and in no uncertain terms. If you ask a question like "Do I need a lawyer?" it will not necessarily be answered by the police because they don't have to.  If you are in doubt, you probably do need a lawyer, so make your demand loud and clear&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-5010983737127648535?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/5010983737127648535/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/06/do-you-have-right-to-remain-silent.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5010983737127648535'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5010983737127648535'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/06/do-you-have-right-to-remain-silent.html' title='Do You Have the Right to Remain Silent?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-7565952890306949958</id><published>2010-05-24T10:30:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-25T11:02:00.513-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='crime rates'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='causes'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='policing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='recession'/><title type='text'>What causes crime rates to go up or down?</title><content type='html'>Crime statistics show that both violent and property crimes dropped from 2008 to 2009, despite higher unemployment and a sinking economy. &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/us/25crime.html?hp"&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/25/us/25crime.html?hp&lt;/a&gt; This is contrary to what many people believe. In the last year or so, friends and acquaintances would constantly ask me if my business was picking up due to the recession. The short answer is no&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Obviously with crime rates dropping, 'business' would be slower. But even more so, prosecution rates are dropping not only due to the dip in crime but also because state and local governments are cutting back on police, prosecutor and court budgets. My 'business' is far more dependent on prosecution rates than on crime rates. With the cuts in state and local budgets, another effect is felt: more lawyers without work. And when more lawyers are not employed by others, that means there are more of them competing to defend the shrinking pie of cases prosecuted&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the bigger question is why are crime rates dropping in a recession? You'd think more unemployed people would mean more theft, robbery and other economic crimes plus more frustration, and perhaps more violent crime as well. Yet crime statistics from the 20th century show that the Prohibition era of the 1920's was far more violent than the Depression in the 30's. Experts do not have many well accepted theories on what causes crime rates to rise and fall. Some scholars have suggested such theories as: greater numbers of immigrants, who tend to keep a low profile; as opposed to this, others assert more illegal immigration increases crime rates; public housing policy dispersing the poor may decrease rates; legalized abortion (so fewer unwanted children are born) may decrease; the crack epidemic in the 1980's was thought to increase crime ; and changes in age distribution--e.g., the baby boom in the late 60's and 70's and the boomlet in the late 80's and 90's&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt; effect rates of crime&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The age distribution theory is probably the one most accepted. That is, crime rates tend to flow with the number of young males at a given time; the higher the proportion of young men in the population, the higher the crime rates since young men are by and large the biggest group of offenders. In fact, there is no strong statistical correlation between stricter law enforcement and longer sentences and the rise and fall of crime rates. See: &lt;a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200808/when-crime-rates-go-down-recidivism-rates-go"&gt;http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/200808/when-crime-rates-go-down-recidivism-rates-go&lt;/a&gt; This just serves to show that politicians who emphasize 'law and order' as an issue may be just blowing smoke&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One interesting theory on why crimes rates might decline during a recession is it pulls families together, and this cohesion inhibits crime. More young people may move back home and are less influenced by their impulsive peers as well. There is also less economic activity in a recession so there is less interaction and opportunity for crime. Ironically, crime rates went up during the prosperity of the 1960's and one theory is that with rising wealth, the havenots and the people left out are more bitter and turn to crime. In contrast, when everyone's boat is sinking with the economic tide, there is more empathy, less jealousy and hence less crime. Of course none of this has been proven&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, there are theories that smarter, better policing may reduce crime rates. For example, declining crime rates in New York City and Los Angeles are often ascribed to increases in the number of police on the streets, better computers for tracking crime, making precinct commanders accountable for managing crime in their districts, and an aggressive policy of searching people on the streets for guns. To be sure, the latter policy may deter crime, but makes it harder to obtain convictions if the Fourth Amendment is violated. Like many other factors, these claims of improved policing are unproven.   Another possibility is that the increased use of very long 3 strikes sentences and federal mandatory sentences have cut back on the recdivist population.  But that would not necessarily explain the drop from 2008-2009&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=7565952890306949958#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At this point, there is no final answer on what causes crime rates to go up or down&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-7565952890306949958?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/7565952890306949958/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-causes-crime-rates-to-go-up-or.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/7565952890306949958'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/7565952890306949958'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-causes-crime-rates-to-go-up-or.html' title='What causes crime rates to go up or down?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-24979503606274588</id><published>2010-05-18T13:41:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-18T15:53:56.454-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cruel and unusual'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='U.S. Supreme Court'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='punishment'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='juveniles'/><title type='text'>What is Cruel and Unusual?</title><content type='html'>Recently the U.S. Supreme Court found that a life without parole sentence for a 17 year old who was found guilty of two very violent robberies was a cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the 8th Amendment.  The question: what constitutes 'cruel and unusual punishment?' has been answered by the Supreme Court this way: "courts must look beyond historical conceptions to the evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a maturing society."  In other words, an acceptable punishment in one era (death penalty for rape) might become cruel and unusual in another era&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     100 years ago, the Court said "that punishment for crime should be graduated and proportioned to the offense."  20 years ago the Court upheld a life without parole sentence for possessing a large quantity of cocaine and narrowed this by finding that 'cruel and unusual' "forbids only extreme sentences that are 'grossly disproportionate' to the crime."  And just 7 years ago, the Court upheld  a sentence of 25 years to life for the theft of a few golf clubs under California's three-strikes scheme.  However, parole was still possible there&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     In comparison to those cases, you would think very violent robberies deserve a life without parole sentence.  The distinction is that for someone under 18 it is currently rare to get a sentence that long where no homicide was committed.  This reflects a societal judgment not to impose such harsh sentences on juveniles, suggesting that such a sentence is 'cruel and unusual.'  Underlying this is the notion of hope: juveniles have a better chance of rehabilitating than adults.  Juveniles' "actions are less likely to be evidence of "irretrievably depraved character" than are the actions of adults&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;" &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Due to the violent and repetitive nature of the robberies, this juvenile deserves to be imprisoned for some time in order to protect society from his "escalating pattern of criminal conduct."  Nonetheless, he also should get a shot down the road to show that he has matured, changed and is ready to re-enter society.  Under the Court's decision, the state of Florida could still deny him release on parole the rest of his life.  But at least he has a reason to change&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Since the 1980's, we have come down harder on young offenders because so many of their crimes were as bad as adult crimes.  Until the late 1980's in Washington, anyone under 18 accused of any crime was entitled to a hearing to determine if the case should be sent to adult court.  Now 16 and 17 year old offenders accused of murder and other serious violent offenses are automatically sent to adult court to face adult level punishments.  This trend to punish juvenile offenders more and more like adults swept across the nation.  Obviously states like Florida took it much further than Washington did.  Yet maybe now the pendulum is swinging away from such harsh treatment of juveniles.  Just as more and more courts are trying to treat drug offenders instead of incarcerate them, perhaps we will begin looking at those horrible choices of youth with more mercy&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-24979503606274588?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/24979503606274588/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-is-cruel-and-unusual.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/24979503606274588'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/24979503606274588'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/05/what-is-cruel-and-unusual.html' title='What is Cruel and Unusual?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-1598694574042168199</id><published>2010-05-06T14:39:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-07T09:04:25.452-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='death penalty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='crime'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fairness'/><title type='text'>The Death Penalty Is Wrong</title><content type='html'>Just the other day a King County jury voted to impose the death penalty on a man convicted of killing two young women and two children. It was a brutal, incomprehensible crime. No one can understand how anyone can kill children, much less have mercy for the killer. Murders with quasi-rational motives are done in anger, for money, in jealous rages, to cover up another crime, or for sex. In this particular recent case, none of these motives were apparent. According to the defendant, he was in a alcohol/drug induced blackout and came to after they were dead&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This man had no previous criminal record and from what I hear, there was no evidence he had even been violent before. He had an alcohol/drug problem and probably other mental issues but nothing extreme enough to explain this crime. It is probable he did not even know or meet the victims before, as he just moved into the neighborhood. Despite this aberration in his life, the jury determined that there was not enough mitigating evidence to raise a reasonable doubt to spare him.  My belief is that if you murder children, 'death qualified' juries will impose the death penalty. (A 'death-qualified' jury is made up of people who agree they can impose the death penalty if the law and the facts support it; those opposed to the death penalty cannot serve.] For the record, the last defendant from King County, who was sentenced to death by a jury, also killed a child.  He is still on death row&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On its face, this does not seem unfair or wrong. Kill an adult you can spend the rest of your life behind bars, but if you kill a child, life in prison does not seem severe enough of a response. So the death penalty serves that purpose.  And yet. . . the worst killer in the history of this State--the Green River Killer--did not get the death penalty.  Instead he was able to trade his knowledge of where his victims were buried to get a life sentence.  In other words, that case seemed to say: 'Kill enough people, you can make a deal!" Although the people involved in making the deal with the Green River Killer might disagree and say he provided 'closure' to his victims' families, it does not deal with the essential unfairness of that result&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No other criminal terrorized a community for so long, killed so many young women and girls, and collaterally harmed so many others as the Green River Killer.  If that criminal does not get the death penalty, how can it be justified for someone else who did less harm?  It can't.  Therein lies a major flaw with the death penalty: its inconsistency.  Also, recall that none of the Wah Mee killers who murdered 13 people received the death penalty as well.  In our all too human and flawed legal system, this lack of uniformity and consistency defeats any righteous defense of the ultimate penalty&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I haven't even mentioned the death penalty cases from other states that involved innocent people!  For the simple reason that our legal system can never be flawless, I cannot support the death penalty.  One of the fundamental maxims of our legal system as expressed by Blackstone is that 'it is better to let 10 guilty men off than to condemn one innocent man.'  As we are loathe to imprison the innocent, our governments should not be putting people to death.  As Justice Blackmun, a Nixon appointee, put it: our society should not "tinker with the machinery of death."  It is time to stop the death penalty&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-1598694574042168199?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/1598694574042168199/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/05/death-penalty-is-wrong.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/1598694574042168199'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/1598694574042168199'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/05/death-penalty-is-wrong.html' title='The Death Penalty Is Wrong'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-7423166992015054861</id><published>2010-04-28T14:17:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-04-28T15:59:36.941-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Why Do the Mentally Ill Get a Break?</title><content type='html'>Recently the King County Prosecutor, Dan Satterburg, decided not to pursue the death penalty for a man who allegedly raped and tortured two women, killed one, and attempted to kill the other. Despite the heinous allegations, it was a sound decision supported by Washington law&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To convince a jury to impose the death penalty for aggravated murder, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there are not "sufficient mitigating circumstances to merit leniency." Under this statute, RCW 10.95.060 and .070, there are a number of factors a jury can consider in determining whether such mitigating circumstances exist. One of them is the following: "Whether the murder was committed while the defendant was under the influence of extreme mental disturbance." In the recent case, the defendant's history of severe mental illness presented by the defense attorneys to the prosecutor was probably compelling. So the prosecutor exercised his discretion, and saved the taxpayers a lot of time, money and effort.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some may object and argue that the alleged crimes were too severe for leniency. And, in any case, isn't a defendant who is mentally ill even more dangerous? Shouldn't society protect itself? To begin with, this defendant is facing a 'life without possibility of parole' sentence. As far as I know, no one ever sentenced to life without parole has gotten out or escaped in this state. So the societal protection issue is covered&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     It is possible this defendant may not be sentenced to life without parole. He may raise an insanity defense, and if that were successful, what then? There have been cases where the insanity defense has either been successful or where the jury convicted the defendant of some lesser crime, with no life sentence.  After this individual serves his sentence, and if he is deemed sufficiently dangerous, he can still be committed to Western State Hospital for an indefinite time.   I was involved with one such case&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     This still leaves the question: Why do the mentally ill get a break? The short answer is that our laws are based in part on moral and religious principles. One of those principles is that a crime requires a willful act by a sane person. A person who does not know right from wrong as a result of mental disease or defect is not sane. For a long time in England and then in America, the law has recognized that an insane person cannot and should not be punished for the wrongdoing. Hence to this day, an acquittal on grounds of insanity does not result in a criminal punishment. The person acquitted could be civilly committed indefinitely but our society (or at least under Washington state law) does not condemn such persons as criminals&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-7423166992015054861?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/7423166992015054861/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-do-mentally-ill-get-break.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/7423166992015054861'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/7423166992015054861'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-do-mentally-ill-get-break.html' title='Why Do the Mentally Ill Get a Break?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-5891251318646174652</id><published>2010-04-22T11:02:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-04-22T14:00:46.743-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='consent'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='celebrity and proof'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rape'/><title type='text'>Sex, Jocks and the Law</title><content type='html'>Rape cases where the defense is consent can be the hardest cases to prove. The recent allegations against quarterback Ben Roethlisberger reveal this ugly truth. A close examination of the complaining witness' police statement explains why the prosecutor decided not to file a case&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;She initially told the police (her handwritten statement is online at: &lt;a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html"&gt;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger1.html&lt;/a&gt;) that she was at a bar and at one point Ben made "crude, sexual remarks." After these remarks, Ben asked her and her friends to go to his "VIP" area at the back of the bar. She and her friends agreed. There, she and her friends were offered free, numerous shots of booze, and presumably they drank them. After this point, she was 'escorted' to a side hallway and sometime after that, Ben allegedly forced her to have sex&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now imagine a jury of Georgians from the small town of Milledgeville where this occurred. A defense attorney would certainly try to pick a jury that would not be sympathetic to a young woman who makes the choices she made before the alleged assault. If this were Seattle, it would be harder to pick such a jury. And yet even in Seattle, a certain part of any community, e.g, some older people, might judge her harshly&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The jury would be asked in closing by the defense attorney to determine her credibility, where there is little to corroborate her version that he forced her to have sex. After all, the star quarterback would be presumed innocent, as all criminal defendants are. And the prosecutor would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that she did not consent. The prosecutor would have to contend with arguments like this: "Despite Ben's crude sexual remarks, this young lady and her friends agreed to accompany this celebrity quarterback to his VIP room. Were they football 'groupies' or just naive young women? Was she so drunk she doesn't remember if she consented? . . " and so on&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Careful prosecutors don't like cases without substantial proof. Here, apparently the young woman did not want to prosecute, given that her privacy and life would be picked apart not just by opposing counsel but by the media. With these difficulties in mind it is not surprising they declined to prosecute. Although our legal system is far from perfect, it does not appear to be an unreasonable decision. In the end, this whole affair is more of a cynical reflection of our culture of celebrity than an indictment of the legal system&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-5891251318646174652?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/5891251318646174652/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/04/sex-jocks-and-law.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5891251318646174652'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5891251318646174652'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/04/sex-jocks-and-law.html' title='Sex, Jocks and the Law'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-7154382846808342175</id><published>2010-04-16T13:59:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-04-16T14:44:40.773-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='search engines'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='criminal records'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='unreliable databases'/><title type='text'>Do You Have a Criminal Record?</title><content type='html'>This used to be a very straightforward question because there were only two actual sources of official criminal records: the state patrol and the FBI. In fact, that has not changed. What has changed is the ease with which such records can be found&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, post-911 and in the internet age, that question is far more complicated. To begin with, far more employers, schools, sports teams, nonprofit organizations, clubs, and private concerns check criminal records. In our nervous times, we worry a lot more about terrorism, child molesters, thieves, and so on. So one natural response to this worry is to check out every job applicant's, prospective coach's, and volunteer's background--&lt;em&gt;i.e&lt;/em&gt;., their criminal record, for starters. And the internet makes it easy&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just google 'criminal records' and you get various sites such as: criminal.com. Type in a name and you could find out for free if there are records, and then get them--for a fee. The problem is that this site(like many others) may or may not reveal exactly what database it used to give you the information. And not all databases are created equal. For example, let's take court records. Virtually all criminal court records are open to viewing. They are publicly available and free to look at if you go to the originating courthouse. Before the internet, that took a bit of legwork and time. Now many court records are available on line&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many of the criminal records search engines use court records. So what's wrong with court records as a database for research on someone's criminal record? The problem is that court records include everyone who has ever been accused of a crime, whether the case was dismissed at arraignment by the prosecutor, or later by a judge, or if a jury found the accused innocent. That is, it includes many people WHO DO NOT HAVE CRIMINAL RECORDS! So unless these search engines are actually reading the entire file to make sure, their reports are suspect&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a criminal record should mean that the person was found or pled guilty, and was convicted and sentenced. So employers or groups who use anything but official sites, such as &lt;a href="https://watch.wsp.wa.gov/"&gt;https://watch.wsp.wa.gov/&lt;/a&gt; in Washington state, are relying on something other than official criminal records. That means anything else may be unreliable&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a former client whose case I got dismissed at a pretrial hearing by the judge on the prosecutor's motion. Sometime after this, he submitted a bid for a contract on a job. He was declined. The group that declined his bid told him he had a criminal record and so that disqualified him. He asked what record and they cited the very case we got dismissed. I told him that was not a 'criminal record,' but a court record&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This violated one of the precepts of our legal system: presumed innocent until guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe he will sue them. Unfortunately, the damage has been done&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-7154382846808342175?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/7154382846808342175/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/04/do-you-have-criminal-record.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/7154382846808342175'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/7154382846808342175'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/04/do-you-have-criminal-record.html' title='Do You Have a Criminal Record?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-5210985142944626364</id><published>2010-04-08T09:07:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-04-08T11:16:31.287-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='repeat offenders'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='presumption of innocence'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='due process'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='DUI'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='punishment'/><title type='text'>Why Do We Let Them Re-Offend Again and Again?</title><content type='html'>Over the weekend there was a horrible tragedy in my neighborhood: 3 young men were killed when their car slammed into a metal pole at high speed; and a high school girl who was seriously injured is not out of the woods yet.  It is unknown whether alcohol was involved, but the police have now named the driver.  It turns out he had a pending DUI case, where he allegedly blew a .14 breath alcohol which is nearly twice the limit of .08 for those over 21.  He was 20, so he was way over the .02 limit for those under 21&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    A friend of ours called and wanted to know why his license had not been suspended yet.   She also wondered why a recent public official (Washington Superintendent of Public Instruction Randy Dorn) who was arrested for DUI got his license suspended so quickly.  The answer on the latter question is easy: he pled guilty in court to DUI, so his license was suspended immediately.   He conceded his right to fight it and accepted his punishment.  For a public official that is what a mensch would do&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    In contrast, the young man had not pled guilty so his case was still pending.  In our society we presume the accused innocent, no matter what the crime.  (In "Alice in Wonderland" its' 'punishment first, verdict later,' a place some demagogues would enjoy.)  In order for a court to suspend someone's license, there must be due process of law.  That is a phrase from the Constitution.  Although a driver's license is not a "right," it is a privilege with certain protections.  It cannot be taken away from a person who legally possesses one without due process--some legal procedure.  So in the young man's criminal case, he is accorded a variety of rights such as a jury trial, live testimony, proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and so on, before he can be punished with jail and license suspension&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     In DUI cases, there is also a parallel administrative proceeding which is largely independent of the criminal case, but tends to move faster.  For example, the young man with the pending DUI, would have been given a notice the night of his arrest for DUI.  That notice would inform him that he had 20 days to demand a hearing before the Department of Licensing (DOL), since he blew greater than an .02 (being under 21, or, if over 21, over .08 .)  If he did not demand the hearing within the 20 days, then DOL would administratively suspend his license for 90 days&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Since the police said he was arrested for his DUI in early March, even if he had not demanded a hearing, his suspension would not have gone into effect before the crash in early April.   Even without a demand for a hearing, that process takes time before the DOL issues a suspension.  On the other hand, if he had demanded a hearing, it would have been set about 30-60 days out from the receipt of his demand.   During that time, he could still legally drive&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    As a society governed by Constitutional principles, there are occasions where someone who commits one wrong can repeat it before being punished for the first wrong.  The whole tragedy surrounding the man who killed four police officers is even more complicated.  He was someone who was allowed to post bail before a court could review all of the facts.  That, along with Arkansas' parole procedures and snafus with Washington state, led to that nightmare&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;    Now due to that sordid history, the Legislature has passed a bill changing Washington's Constitutional provisions on bail, which have been the same since statehood in 1889.  This must be approved by the voters yet, and I suspect it will be approved.  Whether this change in bail procedure will prevent future tragedies is hard to predict.   As a society that values freedom, it is a challenge to deter repeat offenders  and maintain due process and the presumption of innocence.  It remains an evolving process&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-5210985142944626364?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/5210985142944626364/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-do-we-let-them-re-offend-again-and.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5210985142944626364'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5210985142944626364'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/04/why-do-we-let-them-re-offend-again-and.html' title='Why Do We Let Them Re-Offend Again and Again?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-1436951982098615245</id><published>2010-03-26T15:20:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-03-26T15:37:46.586-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='politics and law.'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='U.S. Supreme Court'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='history'/><title type='text'>Will the U.S. Supreme Court strike down the Health Care bill just passed?</title><content type='html'>Today columnist Linda Greenhouse wrote in the New York Times that she is hopeful that due to Chief Justice Roberts' concern with his legacy and his past voting record, he will probably vote to uphold the health care bill just passed. &lt;a href="http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/which-side-of-history/?hp#preview"&gt;http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/25/which-side-of-history/?hp#preview&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can only hope her prediction comes true&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=1436951982098615245#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The judgment of history may motivate some people, but as a great constitutional law professor of mine (David Adamany) taught, the court is a 'delegitimating' institution. In other words, it represents an echo of past elections but not the current state of what the democratic electorate has voted for. So that throughout history, the Supreme Court has often blocked the changes demanded by the electorate. The New Deal was just one. We could be entering another such era&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=1436951982098615245#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The idea that Supreme Court justices follow strict jurisprudence and legal precedent to reach their decisions is the kind of hokum they pronounce at confirmation hearings. Even the overrated Rehnquist's voting record is best predicted by looking at the parties: if it's a private business v. the government, the business wins; if it's a public interest group v. anyone, anyone wins; if it's an individual against the government (e.g., a criminal defendant or a personal injury plaintiff), the government wins. I was involved in a case in 1980: Schaumberg v. CBE, 444 U.S. 620 (1980) in which Rehnquist was the sole dissenter because we were a public interest group. He was the only judge who voted against us not only in the Supreme Court but in the northern district of Illinois and the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=1436951982098615245#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He was result oriented and the current crew of Justices are the same. So just as an earlier group wanted to stop the vote counting in Florida in 2000, jurisprudence notwithstanding, they cloaked their decision in legalistic hash. So now the majority can reach the result they want and then justify it with arcane references to originalism or the meaning of the word in 1789, or the 10th Amendment. If the Chief Justice wants to strike down health care, he will find a way&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=1436951982098615245#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To twist President Clinton's phrase, \"It's the politics, stupid!\" The Court has always been a political animal--but one that was never elected&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=1436951982098615245#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-1436951982098615245?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/1436951982098615245/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/03/will-us-supreme-court-strike-down.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/1436951982098615245'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/1436951982098615245'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/03/will-us-supreme-court-strike-down.html' title='Will the U.S. Supreme Court strike down the Health Care bill just passed?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-1804788711869514737</id><published>2010-02-25T17:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-03-05T13:06:44.711-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mortgages'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='greed'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bankers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fraud'/><title type='text'>Why don't more bankers get indicted?</title><content type='html'>In the previous blog I discussed identity theft cases. I will now discuss bank fraud and why it is so hard to charge the very greediest bankers at the top. Although such identity theft cases can involve hundreds of thousands of dollars, they are small beans compared to bank fraud, specifically fraud surrounding real estate loans--called mortgages&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; To begin with, the average single mortgage here in Seattle is nearly a half million dollars&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; If a house is flipped, that is sold quickly over and over, millions can mount up in no time&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the last 10 years, during the housing bubble, this crime was rampant&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; Since banks or lenders assumed that real estate values would continue to go up, they got lazy and failed to scrutinize the ability of the borrower to pay back the loan&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; The stupid assumption was that if the loan was below the inflated 'market value' of the house, and even if the buyer could not afford it, the bank could recoup its loss by foreclosing and selling at that ever-increasing market value&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So in the frenzy to earn those fees and points, lenders, banks and mortgage companies failed to perform any due diligence in examining the borrower's assets and income&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; In a fraudulent mortgage loan, the borrower's assets and income would be fictional, or confirmed by a confederate&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; Instead of really examining the borrower's ability to repay the loan, too many lenders were in a rush to sell and close the loan, and then move on to the next one&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; And anyway, the lender never held the paper, i.e., kept the loan to collect the monthly payments; someone else bought that&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt; as an investment (one type known as a "derivative&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;") And lo and behold, we are in the Great Recession&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt; of 2008-now!&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question is then, why haven't the people at the top been charged more for making these loans or selling these terrible investments? Previously I talked about how high the proof standards are for federal charges. In most cases, at least here in Seattle, federal prosecutors do not indict people unless they have a lot of proof of wrongdoing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bankers who made reckless loans, stupid investments or overpaid themselves have not necessarily committed a crime. They may have been negligent or reckless with other people's money and certainly overpaid themselves. But it takes fraud to commit a crime. Fraud typically involves intentional lies that other people rely on in parting with their money. Or intentional misstatements about the health of a company or intentional omissions to investors or stockholders. The latter is what got the Enron execs in trouble&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=1804788711869514737#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In mortgage fraud cases, the perpetrators typically lie about the borrower's assets and income on the loan application form. That makes for an easy case. Frequently, there are many people involved in these cases and only the top people who run the scam and tell a lot of easily proven lies are charged. I know of cases where only 3 or 4 people are charged, but there may be 20 or 30 who told lies along the way but don't get charged because the proof is not strong enough&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=1804788711869514737#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And if you think about the top people--those who earn 10's of millions of dollars--they tend to be smart and careful. They have lawyers review what they say and write to avoid misleading statements. Right now there are investigations involving former top people at Bank of America and the now defunct Washington Mutual. Whether they are charged will depend on how much evidence there is. I constantly shake my head at the fact that many people at these companies made tons of money, even though their companies later went bankrupt or begged for government aid. But that is a flaw of our economic system since greed alone has never been a crime&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=1804788711869514737#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-1804788711869514737?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/1804788711869514737/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/why-dont-more-bankers-get-indicted.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/1804788711869514737'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/1804788711869514737'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/why-dont-more-bankers-get-indicted.html' title='Why don&apos;t more bankers get indicted?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-936171338708405799</id><published>2010-02-22T14:22:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-25T17:14:53.948-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='federal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='criminal defense'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fraud'/><title type='text'>How a Federal Indictment can spoil your day</title><content type='html'>Here in Seattle, federal prosecutors have a conviction rate that easily exceeds 90%&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; In simple terms if you are indicted here in federal court, don't buy bulk at Costco&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="BEST SEATTLE CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; Having defended people charged in federal court for the last 20 years, which means over 200 cases, I can count on two hands the number of people who have totally walked away from a federal indictment&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="BEST SEATTLE CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By that I mean cases that were dismissed outright such as through suppression of key evidence under the Fourth Amendment, or where a jury acquitted of all charges, or where the prosecution was convinced to dismiss a case&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="BEST SEATTLE CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; In the latter category, the defendant typically had to go in, tell the prosecutors her story, and hope they believe her&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="BEST SEATTLE CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; I use "her" deliberately, as the usual dismissed case is the spouse or girlfriend who lives with someone who may be growing large amounts of marijuana (say 150 plants) in their basement&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="BEST SEATTLE CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; Their way out was to explain exactly how they had nothing to do with the grow operation&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="BEST SEATTLE CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not to say I have not gotten good results in many other cases&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; I have worked out very favorable plea bargains, even down to misdemeanors with no time, in many cases&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; It's just hard&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This 90%+ conviction rate is as it should be&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; For when the federal government uses its bottomless resources to go after someone, they don't do it lightly or cheaply&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; Federal prosecutors are well trained, highly qualified and make fearsome opponents&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; They work hand in glove with federal agencies such as the FBI, DEA and ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) BEFORE deciding to charge someone&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And they are generally circumspect about their awesome power. In other words, they don't indict people on thin evidence--very often&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; I have seen bank robbery cases (usually federal cases, as banks are federally insured) sent to state prosecutors if there was a flaw in the case&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; Given the powerful party (the U.S. government!)behind an indictment, it is a good thing they are loathe to indict on anything but very strong cases&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; If not, a lot more people's days (if not lives) would be spoiled&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXPERIENCED SEATTLE CRIMINAL ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To be indicted for a felony in federal court, the prosecutor has to take the case to the grand jury&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; A grand jury is composed of 23 people who hear witnesses who testify about the case&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; Their standard is "probable cause" (explained in an earlier blog entry) and only a majority, 12 or more votes, are needed to indict&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; The grand jurors, the prosecutor, and any other government agents present are sworn to secrecy&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; The defendant is rarely asked to testify and even in fewer cases, will take up the offer&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; The defendant's lawyer cannot appear before the grand jury&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; This is the Constitutional check on the federal prosecutor's power&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fraud cases are a growing area of federal prosecution&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; In the 1980's a new crime evolved: "identity theft&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;." Sophisticated use of computers, skimmers (electronic devices that g lean the data from the magnetic strip on a credit or debit card) and just blatant theft of key numbers to bank accounts, credit cards, and the like aided this crime&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; Basically the thief would gain access to this critical data, create new cards or bank accounts, and use it to withdraw money or to buy merchandise&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;. Very often the thief would adopt the actual identity by using the victim's real name to get the money&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; Early on, banks and credit card companies were quite naive--by mailing out information that could be stolen or not checking for picture id&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; To this day, banks and credit card companies are still victimized by their own liberal policies regarding access to credit and cash&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt; I guess it's just a cost of doing business&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="EXCELLENT FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Identify theft cases tend to be overwhelming in the amount of evidence garnered against the perpetrators&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;. Such evidence includes videotape from banks and stores (such as Walmart); seized computers with evidence of card making or confidential data; all the paper from these transactions; possession of id's, credit cards, ATM cards or skimmers; and eyewitnesses, including confederates who have become 'cooperating defendants&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If people only knew how easy they were to prosecute, they might think twice about doing it&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then I guess the 'easy money' is too tempting&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=936171338708405799#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a title="FEDERAL CRIMINAL LAWYER" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-936171338708405799?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/936171338708405799/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-federal-indictment-can-spoil-your.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/936171338708405799'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/936171338708405799'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/how-federal-indictment-can-spoil-your.html' title='How a Federal Indictment can spoil your day'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-7332604041982208799</id><published>2010-02-18T16:02:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-18T16:11:09.799-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='domestic violence'/><title type='text'>ALL ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES</title><content type='html'>What is a ‘domestic violence’ case?  Legally it involves a variety of crimes, such as assault, harassment, or malicious mischief (destruction of property), between spouses, family members, people in dating relationships, and household members&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  Since 1984, state law (RCW 10.31.100(2)(c))has required the police to arrest anyone over 16 for a domestic assault if there is probable cause to believe it has occurred recently. Reasons for requiring an arrest include: prevention of immediate, future harm; a cooling off period; and an expeditious appearance before a judge so that a ‘no contact order’ can be entered&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Often the accused is the male breadwinner who is jailed, which threatens the entire family’s economic welfare.  In some cases, the alleged victim feels as if the ‘system’ is victimizing her and the children by continued incarceration.  Entry of a ‘no contact order’ is one of the most painful aspects of these cases, since by their nature they occur between people who know each other.  Upon release under a no contact order, the defendant cannot live with the alleged victim, which may cause further economic harm, as well as separating loved ones.   Due to these problems, the alleged victim often tries to convince the court to lift the no contact order and more often than not, such a request is denied.  I have had cases where the alleged victim is an educated professional woman, who is familiar with the ‘battered wife’ syndrome and articulates good reasons for dropping the no contact order.  Yet the judges still deny such requests&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     Why do courts deny these requests?  To begin with, the law requires no contact orders to be entered at the first appearance.  Secondly, domestic violence cases are unpredictable.  No judge can see the future.  In a small number of cases, the defendant is violent again.  Courts try to prevent renewed violence.  In the back of many judges’ minds are cases such as the Tacoma police chief who was accused of domestic violence, and then later murdered his wife and killed himself.  Other than continued incarceration, the courts only other recourse is to order no contact.  Since no one can really predict which defendant might be violent again, it is easier to keep all no contact orders in place than to lift them prematurely.  Short of dismissal or acquittal of the charges, one way to lift the no contact order is to have the defendant enter a treatment program.  On the other hand, if the defendant fights the case and loses, or pleads guilty, the no contact order often persists throughout the probationary period, or until the defendant is doing well in treatment&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     The ‘treatment’ of domestic violence offenders lasts a full year.  It must be done with a state certified agency.  Whether such treatment programs actually prevent future violence has not been scientifically proven.  Nonetheless, prosecutors and judges&lt;br /&gt;rely on them in sentencing domestic violence (d.v.) defendants.  It is, after all, an alternative to jail, and the defendant has to pay for it.  This one size fits all approach can be vexing.  Many defendants are not ‘batterers’ or ‘wife-beaters,’ yet the course of treatment seems geared toward that type of defendant.  Some prosecutors view a single incident of domestic violence as proof of a power abusing relationship and therefore believe that qualifies the defendant for d.v. treatment.  Of course this ignores the fact that people are individuals and should be treated as such.  Alternative treatments with professional psychologists are not easily substituted—few prosecutors will agree to them.  And forget about ‘anger management’ courses.  These are now disfavored by prosecutors&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     As for the alleged victims, sometimes they refuse to cooperate and don’t show up to court.  If they have been properly subpoenaed, the prosecutor can get a material witness warrant, have them arrested and brought to court in custody.  They could be jailed until they testify.  This is not the typical outcome.  The other option is to have an officer visit the last known residence of the alleged victim and offer a ride.  However, in many, many cases, if the victim does not show up and cannot be contacted on the phone, the case is dismissed.  A victim no-show in a domestic violence case is probably the most common no-show of any type of case. This happens for a variety of reasons—recantation of the original accusation; economic interest; family loyalty; fear; intimidation; and so on&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;     In my many years as a public defender and a Seattle defense attorney, these cases are common.  They require patience and tenacity.  They are universal, too.  When I was touring in Southern Africa, Botswana, to be specific, one of my guides, when he discovered what I did for a living, pulled me aside and asked me about his d.v. case!  I told him not to talk to anyone about it and not to violate the no contact order.  That is all I could do there, but I can do a lot more here&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-create.g?blogID=2537937093314890408#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-7332604041982208799?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/7332604041982208799/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/all-about-domestic-violence-cases.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/7332604041982208799'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/7332604041982208799'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/all-about-domestic-violence-cases.html' title='ALL ABOUT DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CASES'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-2736551310369811654</id><published>2010-02-09T14:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-19T13:47:03.627-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='defending the innocent and the guilty'/><title type='text'>Do lawyers need to believe their CLIENTS ARE INNOCENT?</title><content type='html'>In over 30 years as a Seattle defense attorney, I have defended people accused of all sorts of crimes from DUI to murder, clients occasionally ask me: "do you believe I am innocent?" Typically the defendant who asks that tends to be experienced--perhaps in the wrong way. That is, they've been here before. So it is a delicate question usually asked by an indelicate sort. But they believe that their lawyer must believe in their innocence to do a good job&lt;a title="SEATTLE DEFENSE ATTORNEY" href="http://bobgoldsmith.com/"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is it a delicate question? Our criminal justice system would be utterly corrupt and unable to function if most accused people were totally innocent, as opposed to most accused having done something, as is the case. The police and the prosecutors are, by and large, honest, hard working people. They would not last in their jobs long if most people they arrested and prosecuted had not done something. Nor could their budgets sustain that&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=2736551310369811654#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The system may presume defendants innocent, but to hold someone to answer to a charge, there must be probable cause. That is, there must be witnesses, evidence, forensics and so on that establish the case. Probable cause is not a high standard--are there specific facts and circumstances to support a reasonable probability that the accused committed the crime? Even with that low standard, most honest prosecutors will not file a charge unless they believe they can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury. Given that background, I would be dishonest if I told most criminal defendants that I believed they were innocent&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=2736551310369811654#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet if a lawyer tells a client, "I don't believe you're innocent," the client is likely to lose faith in their lawyer. So how is this answered? One simple answer is "my belief is irrelevant." I am here to defend you, to analyze all the evidence in your case, to see if there are legal or constitutional issues, and to determine if the case can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. If I find some defense or legal issue, my job is to pursue that as far as I can to either mitigate the punishment or beat the charge. So my belief is irrelevant. It is up to a jury or a judge to 'believe' if you are innocent or guilty. If my beliefs intruded, I might not zealously defend you. You don't want my beliefs--my personal prejudices or preferences--to motivate me, do you? No, you want an advocate who looks under every rock in the case to find a flaw, to push the envelope, and to work until every possibility is explored, not a lawyer who works on 'belief.' If lawyers had to 'believe' their clients were innocent to defend them, few people would be defended very well&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=2736551310369811654#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This leads to the inevitable cocktail party question: "how can you defend those people?" In some ways it is easier to defend guilty people. If a person is truly innocent, it makes me worry a lot more since there is always a possibility that an innocent person can be convicted. I would hate to have that on my conscience: I let an innocent person go to prison. No, if all my clients were innocent, I would never sleep&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=2736551310369811654#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the rest, it is not my job to determine if they are guilty or to punish them. My job, as our adversarial system requires, is to defend them to the best of my abilities. It is the police and prosecutor's job to try to prove they are guilty. It is the jury's job to determine if it is proven. And it is the judge's job to punish in the event guilt is proven. If our system is to function fairly, and if I am to contribute in any way to the rule of law, then everyone, including drug dealers or sex offenders, not just the rich and powerful, deserves their day in court and the best possible defense. Aren't tobacco companies just well funded, age old drug dealers? Crack cocaine dealers are less insidious in a way--they don't fund dubious research to show how safe crack is. No, as long as tobacco corporations and their ilk can litigate their interests in court to defend their assets and interests, I have no problem defending "those [guilty] people&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=2736551310369811654#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If "those people" don't feel that they had the best possible defense, then what will they think when they are in prison? Won't they blame their lawyers for not doing the job? Won't they be bitter and believe only the rich, or the OJ's, can beat the system? What kind of people will they be upon release from prison? They won't blame themselves. But if they did get the best possible defense, and they know it, then the blame for going to prison may be directed elsewhere. And perhaps rehabilitation will follow&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=2736551310369811654#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-2736551310369811654?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/2736551310369811654/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/do-lawyers-need-to-believe-their.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/2736551310369811654'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/2736551310369811654'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/do-lawyers-need-to-believe-their.html' title='Do lawyers need to believe their CLIENTS ARE INNOCENT?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-150049916793828065</id><published>2010-02-09T12:20:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-19T13:33:57.891-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='options'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lawyer'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='DUI'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='clients'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='innocent'/><title type='text'>First and foremost: TAKE CARE OF YOUR CLIENTS</title><content type='html'>A high school girl was interviewing me for a class last week, wanting to know what did I like best about defending the accused. It only took a moment as my gaze fell on some thank you cards from former clients. The joy of helping someone who later appreciates it. I showed her the thank you cards and an annual Christmas card I get from one client I represented when he was in high school like her. This is what makes it worthwhile. A few former clients have even mentioned the possibility of going to law school to do what I do. I don't know if any ever did yet. . . But those notions are a good antidote to all the lawyer jokes about greedy, slimy sharks that everyone, including myself, love to tell&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=150049916793828065#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lawyer jokes are popular because lawyers cost a lot of money and then treat witnesses rudely or prolong insurance claims to pad the bill or argue over the meaning of words such as "intent" or "any." One way to counter this is to work hard for your money by taking care of the client who hires you&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=150049916793828065#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At the start, before I am even hired, I level with people who are charged with crimes. I never promise I can 'get them off.' Generally, and this is well known in the criminal justice system, people who are charged with crimes did something. It is actually rare to get a case where the accused had absolutely nothing to do with the crime charged.  True, there are many 'innocent' defendants--factully innocent in the sense that 'some other dude did it;' legally innocent in that they used lawful force to defend themselves; or constitutionally protected in that the police violated the 4th Amendment rules on search to obtain evidence. But, to be sure, those are the exceptions and not the rule&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=150049916793828065#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The run of the mill driving under the influence case invariably involves someone stopped for a traffic infraction who admittedly had some alcohol to drink. The only question is was it too much or not? That is a narrow margin to work with. So when a DUI case comes in my door I don't say I can beat the rap. Instead I listen to the story, promise to do my best and explain the available options. I try to relieve their anxiety. I tell my new DUI client what he or she should do before our next court date and to let me do the worrying about the rest. So often these words alone lift some of the burden of being accused off of their shoulders. And when I do beat the rap or get a deal they can't refuse, the client may not recall whether I was cautious at first or not . . . and they certainly don't care&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=150049916793828065#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Truth is my ally. No guarantees or false promises. I know of lawyers barely out of law school who post clever, fancy ads that are totally false, as they claim experience or success that doesn't exist. Of course they do it because they need business and are just starting out. Some eventually become what they advertise. As a lawyer of 32 years, the old referral system--one lawyer to another or referrals from former clients--is preferred. (Would you hire a doctor based on an internet or yellow pages ad?) For my own part, I don't want people to hire me thinking I am something I am not. When I tell a client I will do something for them, I do it. When a client calls, I return the call. When I am hired and a client owes me money, I still do the job as well as I can. I have former clients, whose cases I won, who still owe me money, . . . and probably won't pay&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=150049916793828065#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In my court appointed cases, I tell my clients I will work as hard for them as for my privately retained clients. Many find this hard to believe. A lawyer who is not motivated by money is not a lawyer many people believe will really work for them. (After all, don't lawyers = money?)Perhaps there is a kernal of truth in that, but more likely it reflects more on the person who believes that&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=150049916793828065#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I was a public defender in the 80's, I always laughed at the pseudo-sophisticates who shouted: 'I want a real lawyer, not a public defender.' Of course the ones who shouted loudest never earned enough to afford a private lawyer and if any of them did, they would hire a showy lawyer who was more inept and less experienced than most public defenders. Usually the problem with public defenders is too many cases, not enough time, and sometimes not enough experience. But it is not the case that they care less about their clients than private lawyers. Experienced defenders are often more competent than many private lawyers. I was proud of being a public defender and now despite my shift to the private sector, I still take pride in doing my best--no matter who pays my bill. If people don't believe that, it's their problem&lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=150049916793828065#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My job only exists to help my client. That is the adversarial system. I live with it every day. Just remember that . . &lt;a name="_top"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=2537937093314890408&amp;amp;postID=150049916793828065#_top"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://bobgoldsmith.com" title="SEATTLE DEFENSE LAWYER"&gt;.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-150049916793828065?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/150049916793828065/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/first-and-foremost-take-care-of-your.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/150049916793828065'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/150049916793828065'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/first-and-foremost-take-care-of-your.html' title='First and foremost: TAKE CARE OF YOUR CLIENTS'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-5463496295637947566</id><published>2010-02-08T15:21:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-08T15:25:08.140-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='describes first court appearances for different types of criminal cases'/><title type='text'>What happens at my first court appearance?</title><content type='html'>What happens at the first court appearance (intake) for misdemeanors?&lt;br /&gt;If the crime is a DUI or domestic violence misdemeanor, you must appear for the arraignment. That is the court appearance at which the charge is formally presented or read and invariably the plea is not guilty. Bail may also be argued at the hearing. Do not waive any rights, including your right to a jury trial, at arraignment. A waiver of any rights should only be done after consulting a lawyer. If the charge is a different misdemeanor, the arraignment may be waived by a lawyer, if you have one in advance of the arraignment date. A person arrested and booked in the jail for a misdemeanor will usually appear on the next business day for arraignment and bail hearing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What happens during a felony arrest?&lt;br /&gt;If you are arrested and booked for a felony in a state case, the first appearance is usually at what is called an “investigation calendar.” The purpose of that court appearance is for a judge to determine if there is probable cause to hold you in jail or require bail, and if so, to set bail. In most courts, the judge makes the probable cause determination based upon a sworn police statement which summarizes the charges. It is a very low threshold and the court assumes the allegations are true. In a small number of cases, a court will find no probable cause. After probable cause is determined, then the lawyers can argue for bail or for a personal recognizance (PR) release. A PR release is a simple, signed promise by the arrested person to return to court.&lt;br /&gt;Whether the arrested person is released or not, the court will then set a second appearance date, which will be within 72 hours of the booking time in the jail. (Weekends and holidays do not count in the 72 hour rule.) Arrested people who are not released from jail must have a charge filed by the prosecutor by 4:30 p.m. of the second appearance date, or be released from jail that day.&lt;br /&gt;In King County, people who have not been released following the first court appearance are usually not brought back to court for the second appearance. However, people who are released must return to court for the second appearance. At that second hearing, they are either informed that charges have been filed and they must come back to court for arraignment, or they are released outright. For those still in jail, the court frequently reads a list of those who will be released later that day and those who will stay to face filed charges.&lt;br /&gt;NOTE: an outright release DOES NOT MEAN THE CASE IS OVER. All it means is the prosecutor did not file the charge within 72 hours of booking. The prosecutor can still file charges within the statute of limitations, which can be a few years or without limit, depending on the crime.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What happens if I am arrested for federal charges?&lt;br /&gt;If you are arrested for federal charges, you will be brought to federal court the next business day for your first appearance. At that hearing, the court decides if the complaint containing the allegations establishes probable cause. If so, bail may be argued. However, in many federal cases (e.g., drugs, firearms, bank robbery) the prosecutor can move for detention, and no bail hearing is held for at least 3 days. The arrested person is then held at the Federal Detention Center at SeaTac until that time.&lt;br /&gt;Most federal charges are based on indictments handed down by a 23 person grand jury. The accused and/or lawyer for the accused normally has no opportunity to appear before that grand jury. If a person is arrested and held on a complaint, a preliminary hearing is set. However, they rarely occur since they are cancelled when the government obtains an indictment. Thereafter, an arraignment occurs. That is when the charge is formally presented or read and invariably the plea is not guilty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What happens at a bail hearing?&lt;br /&gt;Whether a person is in city, state or federal court, bail issues are very similar. All Courts look at: the criminal record, if any; the record a person has of showing up to court in the past (e.g., “FTA’s,” failures to appear are bad); ties to the community—including family, job, education, and length of residence; and the nature of the criminal charges. It never hurts to have family, friends, references and other material in court to support bail reduction or a personal recognizance release.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-5463496295637947566?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/5463496295637947566/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/what-happens-at-my-first-court.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5463496295637947566'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/5463496295637947566'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/what-happens-at-my-first-court.html' title='What happens at my first court appearance?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2537937093314890408.post-8820240141578177951</id><published>2010-02-08T15:19:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-02-08T15:21:47.077-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='criminal arrest pointers'/><title type='text'>What do you do when arrested?</title><content type='html'>What should I do if I am arrested for a crime?&lt;br /&gt;1. Remain calm.&lt;br /&gt;2. Ask for a lawyer.&lt;br /&gt;3. Provide your name and identification only.&lt;br /&gt;4. Do not answer any questions about the case.&lt;br /&gt;5. Ask for a lawyer at every opportunity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What should I do if I'm arrested for driving under the influence?&lt;br /&gt;1. Remain calm.&lt;br /&gt;2. Ask for a lawyer.&lt;br /&gt;3. Provide your name and identification only.&lt;br /&gt;4. Do not answer any questions about the case.&lt;br /&gt;5. You are not required to perform any tests at the scene, athough the fact that you refused to do 'field tests' is admissible at trial.&lt;br /&gt;6. Ask for a lawyer upon arrival at the station.&lt;br /&gt;7. Speak to a lawyer before deciding about the breath test.&lt;br /&gt;8. If no lawyer available before breath test at station, take the breath test if you have a valid license anywhere.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/2537937093314890408-8820240141578177951?l=criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/feeds/8820240141578177951/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/what-do-you-do-when-arrested.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/8820240141578177951'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/2537937093314890408/posts/default/8820240141578177951'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://criminalcasequestions.blogspot.com/2010/02/what-do-you-do-when-arrested.html' title='What do you do when arrested?'/><author><name>Bob Goldsmith</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/00967075448247390286</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
